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FTC action against Match and OkCupid for deceiving users, sharing personal data

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Re: FTC action against Match and OkCupid for deceiving users, sharing personal data

#31

Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

junkaccount100 wrote: post #7

Throwaway account. I tried these sites a couple of times each in the past (the UK versions at least). I'm married now and fortunately don't have to deal with "the dating scene" and how awful it is/was. When I signed up for Match, about ten minutes into the process my account suddenly changed to that of another man including different photo, descriptions, orientation etc. I don't know why this happened but it was abso…

I met my current wife on OKC in 2010, before online dating became an utter cesspool.

I've been out of the dating scene for 16 years now, but based on what I see on social media, I think online dating sucks today for three reasons.

1. Many men (Not all, but many) are there simply because they want to get laid. They're not looking for a relationship, they're looking for a hook-up, and they're not honest about their intentions. It doesn't help that people argue over whether Tinder is a dating app or a hook-up app.

2. I'm not sure how to put this without seeming misogynistic, but some women greatly over-value themselves. Or at the very least, they have out-dated ideas of courtship. Some of them expect to be taken out to $50+/plate restaurants on a first date, while many men think women are just trying to score free meals. It's hard to make relationships kick off when they begin so adversarial.

3. Dating sites/apps have a financial incentive for your relationship to fail. They can give you matches they know are bad since it keeps you as a serial dater and on their app. They're in a sticky spot where their most successful customer is one that they will never see another dime from, and there's not really a way around it.

Re: FTC action against Match and OkCupid for deceiving users, sharing personal data

#32

Post by duped »

avgDev wrote: post #26
john_strinlai wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> OkCupid gave users different prices based on whether they selected male or female for their profile. never heard or thought about this before, but it kind of makes sense for a dating app. its one of the only levers available to them to attempt any sort of balance between user genders. it sucks for everyone (including the users) if the male:female ratio is like 20:1 or whatever. i would rather pay a couple of extra…

Reminds of being a young guy and feeling annoyed when girls are being let into clubs for free without waiting in line, and I had to wait in line and pay. Sometimes I could not get in because the club was "full", but the girls would be allowed in.

It used to be that promoters were paid per woman they brought to the club and nothing for men, and they would in turn charge a cover per man.

No idea how these businesses operate now. I'm sure there's still sliding scales of sliminess based on the quality of the club and its management.

Re: FTC action against Match and OkCupid for deceiving users, sharing personal data

#33

Post by gruez »

john_strinlai wrote: post #13

this kind of "action"/"settlement" is too funny: >" As part of a settlement, OkCupid [...] will be prohibited from misrepresenting its privacy policies. " >" Under the proposed settlement, OkCupid and Match are permanently prohibited from misrepresenting or assisting others in misrepresenting: [...] " every company should already be "prohibited from misrepresenting its privacy policies" and the collection/controls st…

>12 years, including intentional obstruction of the ftc investigation

To be fair, the complaint only alleges one instance of data transfer, so it's unclear whether the privacy violations were actually occurring for 12 years.

Claims that they were engaging in "intentional obstruction of the ftc investigation" are also unsupported beyond the false statements they made to the media and the users. It's like if your nemesis died under mysterious circumstances, a journalist asked you whether you killed him, you said no, and it turned out you did. Is it a lie? Yeah. Could it be reasonably characterized as "intentional obstruction of police investigation"? Hardly.

Re: FTC action against Match and OkCupid for deceiving users, sharing personal data

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Post by [deleted] »

john_strinlai wrote: post #13

this kind of "action"/"settlement" is too funny: >" As part of a settlement, OkCupid [...] will be prohibited from misrepresenting its privacy policies. " >" Under the proposed settlement, OkCupid and Match are permanently prohibited from misrepresenting or assisting others in misrepresenting: [...] " every company should already be "prohibited from misrepresenting its privacy policies" and the collection/controls st…

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Re: FTC action against Match and OkCupid for deceiving users, sharing personal data

#35

Post by yieldcrv »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #31
junkaccount100 wrote: post #7

Throwaway account. I tried these sites a couple of times each in the past (the UK versions at least). I'm married now and fortunately don't have to deal with "the dating scene" and how awful it is/was. When I signed up for Match, about ten minutes into the process my account suddenly changed to that of another man including different photo, descriptions, orientation etc. I don't know why this happened but it was abso…

I met my current wife on OKC in 2010, before online dating became an utter cesspool. I've been out of the dating scene for 16 years now, but based on what I see on social media, I think online dating sucks today for three reasons. 1. Many men (Not all, but many) are there simply because they want to get laid. They're not looking for a relationship, they're looking for a hook-up, and they're not honest about their int…

> misogynistic

the definition requires "contempt", but it has been diluted to mean any statement that merely points out of corrosive behavior

additionally, many of the statements are actually class based and not inherently gendered, for example, we would call out a man trying to date for free meals too, but since its seen in contexts about women, its stated in reference to that gender, masquerading as contempt and misogyny, but not highlighting what is in the observer's heart and mind whatsoever.

Re: FTC action against Match and OkCupid for deceiving users, sharing personal data

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Post by yieldcrv »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #31
junkaccount100 wrote: post #7

Throwaway account. I tried these sites a couple of times each in the past (the UK versions at least). I'm married now and fortunately don't have to deal with "the dating scene" and how awful it is/was. When I signed up for Match, about ten minutes into the process my account suddenly changed to that of another man including different photo, descriptions, orientation etc. I don't know why this happened but it was abso…

I met my current wife on OKC in 2010, before online dating became an utter cesspool. I've been out of the dating scene for 16 years now, but based on what I see on social media, I think online dating sucks today for three reasons. 1. Many men (Not all, but many) are there simply because they want to get laid. They're not looking for a relationship, they're looking for a hook-up, and they're not honest about their int…

> 1. Many men (Not all, but many) are there simply because they want to get laid.

so are many women, unnecessarily gendered observation

you just hear less about guys crashing out over it

Re: FTC action against Match and OkCupid for deceiving users, sharing personal data

#37

Post by john_strinlai »

gruez wrote: post #33
john_strinlai wrote: post #13

this kind of "action"/"settlement" is too funny: >" As part of a settlement, OkCupid [...] will be prohibited from misrepresenting its privacy policies. " >" Under the proposed settlement, OkCupid and Match are permanently prohibited from misrepresenting or assisting others in misrepresenting: [...] " every company should already be "prohibited from misrepresenting its privacy policies" and the collection/controls st…

>12 years, including intentional obstruction of the ftc investigation To be fair, the complaint only alleges one instance of data transfer, so it's unclear whether the privacy violations were actually occurring for 12 years. Claims that they were engaging in "intentional obstruction of the ftc investigation" are also unsupported beyond the false statements they made to the media and the users. It's like if your nemes…

>so it's unclear whether the privacy violations were actually occurring for 12 years.

i wasnt clear in my comment, but i meant it in the sense of "12 years to resolve this one incident".

>Claims that they were engaging in "intentional obstruction of the ftc investigation" are also unsupported beyond the false statements they made to the media and the users.

i am not particularly inclined to take OkCupids side here, and will default to accepting the FTCs allegation.

Re: FTC action against Match and OkCupid for deceiving users, sharing personal data

#38

Post by mjr00 »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #31
junkaccount100 wrote: post #7

Throwaway account. I tried these sites a couple of times each in the past (the UK versions at least). I'm married now and fortunately don't have to deal with "the dating scene" and how awful it is/was. When I signed up for Match, about ten minutes into the process my account suddenly changed to that of another man including different photo, descriptions, orientation etc. I don't know why this happened but it was abso…

I met my current wife on OKC in 2010, before online dating became an utter cesspool. I've been out of the dating scene for 16 years now, but based on what I see on social media, I think online dating sucks today for three reasons. 1. Many men (Not all, but many) are there simply because they want to get laid. They're not looking for a relationship, they're looking for a hook-up, and they're not honest about their int…

> Many men (Not all, but many) are there simply because they want to get laid. They're not looking for a relationship, they're looking for a hook-up, and they're not honest about their intentions.

In fairness, this is not at all exclusive to online dating.

Re: FTC action against Match and OkCupid for deceiving users, sharing personal data

#39

Post by gruez »

john_strinlai wrote: post #37
gruez wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>12 years, including intentional obstruction of the ftc investigation To be fair, the complaint only alleges one instance of data transfer, so it's unclear whether the privacy violations were actually occurring for 12 years. Claims that they were engaging in "intentional obstruction of the ftc investigation" are also unsupported beyond the false statements they made to the media and the users. It's like if your nemes…

> so it's unclear whether the privacy violations were actually occurring for 12 years. i wasnt clear in my comment, but i meant it in the sense of "12 years to resolve this one incident". > Claims that they were engaging in "intentional obstruction of the ftc investigation" are also unsupported beyond the false statements they made to the media and the users. i am not particularly inclined to take OkCupids side here,…

>i am not particularly inclined to take OkCupids side here, and will default to accepting the FTCs allegation.

Yeah you're right. The part about obstructing the investigation was in the press release but I was only looking at the complaint.

Re: FTC action against Match and OkCupid for deceiving users, sharing personal data

#40

Post by matheusmoreira »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #31
junkaccount100 wrote: post #7

Throwaway account. I tried these sites a couple of times each in the past (the UK versions at least). I'm married now and fortunately don't have to deal with "the dating scene" and how awful it is/was. When I signed up for Match, about ten minutes into the process my account suddenly changed to that of another man including different photo, descriptions, orientation etc. I don't know why this happened but it was abso…

I met my current wife on OKC in 2010, before online dating became an utter cesspool. I've been out of the dating scene for 16 years now, but based on what I see on social media, I think online dating sucks today for three reasons. 1. Many men (Not all, but many) are there simply because they want to get laid. They're not looking for a relationship, they're looking for a hook-up, and they're not honest about their int…

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