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ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

#471

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> Scraping static content from a website at near-zero marginal cost to its server, vs scraping an expensive LLM service provided for free, are different things. I bet people being fucking DDOSed by AI bots disagree Also the fucking ignorance assuming it's "static content" and not something needing code running

Off topic, but why is a DoS something considered to act on, often by just shutting down the service altogether? That results in the same DoS just by the operator than due to congestion. Actually it's worse, because now the requests will never actually be responded rather then after some delay. Why is the default not to just don't do anything?

*> Why is the default not to just don't do anything?

Because ingress and compute costs often increase with every request, to the point where AI bot requests rack up bills of hundreds or thousands of dollars more than the hobbyist operator was expecting to send.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

#472

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Do you think 1. Every person is born with the knowledge of how ChatGPT uses Cloudflare Turnstile? 2. This article contains factual mistakes? If so, what are they? If neither of these is true, then this article strictly provides information and educational value for some readers. The writing style, AI-like or not, doesn't change that.

Do you think I have some obligation to agree with you or something? You love the article, nice, good for you. I think it’s crap.

Whilst you and a few other commentators call this AI slop and refuse to engage with it, the rest of us have read something interesting and learned something new. Is anything gained if one points out that it's written by AI? I personally know it's written by AI but the value outweighs the stylistic idiosyncrasies.

Consider also that many people aren't the best at writing blog-like posts but still have things to share and AI empowers them to do that. I can't find anything constructive in your post and I don't understand why you are posting at all.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

#473

Hey! I'm Nick, and I work on Integrity at OpenAI. These checks are part of how we protect our first-party products from abuse like bots, scraping, fraud, and other attempts to misuse the platform. A big reason we invest in this is because we want to keep free and logged-out access available for more users. My team’s goal is to help make sure the limited GPU resources are going to real users. We also keep a very close…

Earnest question: if I was feeling lazy and security-conscious at the same time, would I be better off...

(A) opening chatgpt.com in qubes (but staying logged out, i.e. never creating a chatgpt account)

-or-

(B) creating a freemium chatgpt account

?

(Obviously, the "best" answer would be something like running a local LLM from an airgapped machine in a concrete bunker :) But that's not what I'm after).

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

#474
Why are companies like OpenAI and others that are all-in on LLMs still using ReactJS, Python and so on?

These programming languages and frameworks were made for developer convenience and got wide adoption, because it makes on-boarding easier.

This obviously comes at a cost of performance, complexity and introduces a liability into a system, because they are dependencies that come with a whole bunch of assumptions about how they are used.

Is this tradeoff even worth it anymore?

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

#475

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Scraping static content from a website at near-zero marginal cost to its server, vs scraping an expensive LLM service provided for free, are different things. The former relies on fairly controversial ideas about copyright and fair use to qualify as abuse, whereas the latter is direct financial damage – by your own direct competitors no less. It's fun to poke at a seeming hypocrisy of the big bad, but the similarity…

You’re describing the tragedy of the commons. No single raindrop thinks it’s responsible for the flood.

[dead]

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

#476

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Local models for privacy. You want to go to the world's best hotel? You are gonna be on their CCTV. Staying at home is crappier but private. Unfortunately for the first time moores law isn't helping (e.g. give a poor person an old laptop and install linux they will be fine). They can do that and all good except no LLM.

> You want to go to the world's best hotel? You are gonna be on their CCTV. ironically, in high end hotels, there's often a lot less cctv. not none. just less. rich people enjoy privacy

In hotels of all tax brackets, you usually get a room key.

And the salient difference is that CCTV is simply defense-in-depth, not a primary means for authentication.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

#477

Hey! I'm Nick, and I work on Integrity at OpenAI. These checks are part of how we protect our first-party products from abuse like bots, scraping, fraud, and other attempts to misuse the platform. A big reason we invest in this is because we want to keep free and logged-out access available for more users. My team’s goal is to help make sure the limited GPU resources are going to real users. We also keep a very close…

>abuse like bots, scraping

10/10, I've got no notes

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

#478
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If apple approves it, ive got a solution: A keyboardthat attests to your humanity https://typed.by/magicseth/2451#2NyGLfAQxmqRiAOTlaX7ma3G4d1o...

Oh Gawd, not this idea again! This idea of capturing the timing of people's keystrokes to identify them, ensure it is them typing their passwords, or even using the timing itself as a password has been recurring every few years for at least three decades. It is always just as bad. Because there are so many cases where it completely fails. The first case is a minor injury to either hand — just put a fat bandage on one…

can confirm. am weird enough to routinely flag as "inhuman".

thaaaaaaaaanks

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

#479

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If apple approves it, ive got a solution: A keyboardthat attests to your humanity https://typed.by/magicseth/2451#2NyGLfAQxmqRiAOTlaX7ma3G4d1o...

Why 256-bit key AES? It brings nothing but longer key. 128-bit is more than enough. Please don't mention PQC :fire:

"why do you need more compute resources? Please don't mention computer programs"

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

#480

Hey! I'm Nick, and I work on Integrity at OpenAI. These checks are part of how we protect our first-party products from abuse like bots, scraping, fraud, and other attempts to misuse the platform. A big reason we invest in this is because we want to keep free and logged-out access available for more users. My team’s goal is to help make sure the limited GPU resources are going to real users. We also keep a very close…

lol, hypocrites.
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