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Re: My MacBook keyboard is broken and it's insanely expensive to fix

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Post by nottorp »

agarmash wrote: post #246
nottorp wrote: post #186

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> we depend on the platform more than the individual apps The only way you actually depend on the platform is if you do Mac OS / iOS development. However, I happen to work on a project that requires both Windows and Linux, so I get reminders every day of why I should stay on Mac OS as desktop. Caveat 1: no, I'm not upgrading to Tahoe or iOS 26. Caveat 2: I wouldn't dream of running a server on anything but Linux. Des…

With all the valid reasons not to upgrade to iOS 26, here's one strongly suggesting doing so: https://cloud.google.com/blog/topics/threat-intelligence/dar...

That only reinforces Apple being assholes. They are perfectly capable of delivering security updates to ios 18, they just choose to not do that for phones that can run 26.

By the way does that mean you can root a phone that's on iOS 18.6? :)

Re: My MacBook keyboard is broken and it's insanely expensive to fix

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Post by mrob »

MostlyStable wrote: post #42

>Here’s hoping governments regulate laptop manufacturers to actually make repairable machines in the future. No, this is a bad solution. If you want a repairable machine, buy one. They exist. Others have already mentioned Framework, but there are other options that aren't that far down the spectrum either. One of the things macbook users praise the most is "build quality", which often means the solidity of the device…

Consumer choice only works when there's a free market. Computer systems are encumbered by copyright and patent monopolies, so there's no free market. I can't buy a third-party Macbook. Because these monopolies are granted by the state it's reasonable for the state to correct any market failures they cause with regulation.

Re: My MacBook keyboard is broken and it's insanely expensive to fix

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Post by catlikesshrimp »

FabHK wrote: post #175
stavros wrote: post #129

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Or just more sane markdown handling :/

I've started multiplying with "x" here... 10 mm x 10 mm = 100 mm^2.

Although there is a "clear" way of representing the functions, I have come to think it might not be as clear to many people.

For instance

(3m+5m)(2m)/(2(2))=5m^3

Re: My MacBook keyboard is broken and it's insanely expensive to fix

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Post by cpt_sobel »

nottorp wrote: post #186
radley wrote: post #145

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Oh, I completely agree. But they can get away with it because we depend on the platform more than the individual apps. And yes, Tahoe is shiny hot garbage piled on top of so much broken software, just to push an effect trick. I'm not sure how I feel developing with SwiftUI when Apple clearly can't make it work for their own apps.

> we depend on the platform more than the individual apps The only way you actually depend on the platform is if you do Mac OS / iOS development. However, I happen to work on a project that requires both Windows and Linux, so I get reminders every day of why I should stay on Mac OS as desktop. Caveat 1: no, I'm not upgrading to Tahoe or iOS 26. Caveat 2: I wouldn't dream of running a server on anything but Linux. Des…

> The problem that fucks us over is that Mac OS only has to be better than the competition.

I'm with you here, but I'm having a _much_ better time on my Linux machines (KDE and Cinnamon Mint) than on my (unbelievably-powerful-but-for-what) M4 Max MBP. It's so much cleaner, even without having upgraded to Tahoe, and imagine that I don't even like tinkering that much, it just works.

Re: My MacBook keyboard is broken and it's insanely expensive to fix

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Post by mexicocitinluez »

MostlyStable wrote: post #42

>Here’s hoping governments regulate laptop manufacturers to actually make repairable machines in the future. No, this is a bad solution. If you want a repairable machine, buy one. They exist. Others have already mentioned Framework, but there are other options that aren't that far down the spectrum either. One of the things macbook users praise the most is "build quality", which often means the solidity of the device…

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Re: My MacBook keyboard is broken and it's insanely expensive to fix

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Post by catlikesshrimp »

dingaling wrote: post #156
wvenable wrote: post #89

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I never said the lunch was free only that it should be nutritious.

Amd for the diner, new cars are much less nutritious due to the regulation. They're like some sort of bland protein-shake lunch.

My father thinks all cars look the same now. Do you mean that?

For my part, cars are more comfortable (bar all controls in a touch panel and ever more propietary software) and fuel efficient

Re: My MacBook keyboard is broken and it's insanely expensive to fix

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Post by g947o »

10729287 wrote: post #259
throwaway85825 wrote: post #194

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The MacBook neo keyboard is replaceable with a sticker and a bunch of screws. This was always possible. Apple just doesnt care.

Bunch of screws : 41.

If you have done some repairs, you would know that is nothing. And you would rather have screws than glue or plastic clips, the more the better.

Re: My MacBook keyboard is broken and it's insanely expensive to fix

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Post by aurareturn »

exo762 wrote: post #218
gertop wrote: post #143

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> I can pay 529 EUR to get a new mainboard and keep the same case/battery/speakers/camera/keyboard/mouse/screen/etc. Or you can spend 50 euros more and get an entire new laptop that is not only much more powerful than your old framework but is almost as repairable: the neo. At some point your argument begins to work against you, you should just have talked about the keyword repair being cheap. Not how you can get a n…

> Or you can spend 50 euros more and get an entire new laptop that is not only much more powerful than your old framework but is almost as repairable: the neo. You forget to mention - less powerful than his old FW 13 with new mainboard/CPU.

I assume he's referring to the AMD AI 340 for 530 euros.[0]

Macbook Neo 31% faster ST speed and a bit slower on the MT.[1]

I wouldn't call the Neo less powerful than his 530 euros upgrade. In fact, I'd much rather have the faster ST speed in this kind of laptop. Most of the apps you're running with this class of laptops will be ST bound anyway.

You can literally get a brand new Macbook Neo using Apple EDU pricing for the price of a slower AMD motherboard upgrade. This is why Framework is an absolutely terrible deal overall. I'm not even convinced that Framework is better for the environment since Apple laptops last extremely long and will very often have second and third hand buyers.

[0]https://frame.work/nl/en/products/mainboard-amd-ai300?v=FRAN...

[1]https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/compare/17360869?baseli...

Re: My MacBook keyboard is broken and it's insanely expensive to fix

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Post by mentalgear »

MostlyStable wrote: post #42

>Here’s hoping governments regulate laptop manufacturers to actually make repairable machines in the future. No, this is a bad solution. If you want a repairable machine, buy one. They exist. Others have already mentioned Framework, but there are other options that aren't that far down the spectrum either. One of the things macbook users praise the most is "build quality", which often means the solidity of the device…

I was hoping with the new Replaceable Battery Law from the EU entering this summer, all (i)Phones and tablets were to become easily repairable / battery swap-able. I was super disappointed learning recently, when considering why the new iPads weren't build to be easily open-able like the new Macbook Neo, that there's a pretty big loophole the lobby got in: if you can proof your battery lasts for 1000 cycles with 80% capacity remaining, you can exempt yourself and still seal the device in a user not-openable fashion.

(btw: people claiming that it has to be this way because of "waterproof": just no. Devices have existed before the whole glue sealing non-sense Apple introduced and exist now that are equally waterproof without glueing it all together to keep user's from the hardware. And even if you think it is that, it still wouldn't make sense to glue laptops and desktop pcs together who don't even claim to be waterproof)

At least there is a bright side: The EU Repairability Law is still pushing companies to make their devices more repairable - by demanding that professional repair must be possible from independent professionals and tech manufacturers must also provide repair parts for x years.

Re: My MacBook keyboard is broken and it's insanely expensive to fix

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Post by nottorp »

cpt_sobel wrote: post #274
nottorp wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> we depend on the platform more than the individual apps The only way you actually depend on the platform is if you do Mac OS / iOS development. However, I happen to work on a project that requires both Windows and Linux, so I get reminders every day of why I should stay on Mac OS as desktop. Caveat 1: no, I'm not upgrading to Tahoe or iOS 26. Caveat 2: I wouldn't dream of running a server on anything but Linux. Des…

> The problem that fucks us over is that Mac OS only has to be better than the competition. I'm with you here, but I'm having a _much_ better time on my Linux machines (KDE and Cinnamon Mint) than on my (unbelievably-powerful-but-for-what) M4 Max MBP. It's so much cleaner, even without having upgraded to Tahoe, and imagine that I don't even like tinkering that much, it just works.

I was using KDE when I switched to Mac OS from Linux as my main desktop (2013 ish).

Must admit I've only looked at the default desktop in Ubuntu in the past years, and that's ... disappointing.

Maybe I should look at how KDE is these days, but it's a second class citizen in most major distros isn't it? Except in this Mint i've never tried.

I also have this fetish for cool and quiet. Can I run KDE on a box that idles at 10 W and never turns the fan audibly on?

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