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Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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MyNameIsNickT wrote: post #49

Hey! I'm Nick, and I work on Integrity at OpenAI. These checks are part of how we protect our first-party products from abuse like bots, scraping, fraud, and other attempts to misuse the platform. A big reason we invest in this is because we want to keep free and logged-out access available for more users. My team’s goal is to help make sure the limited GPU resources are going to real users. We also keep a very close…

> "abuse like bots, scraping"

You what, mate? Would you please use that on yourselves first? Because it comes off as a GROSS hypocrisy. State of the art hypocrisy.

>> behavioral biometric layer

But this one, especially, takes the cake.

Quite disgusting.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by lm411 »

nikitaga wrote: post #217
Imnimo wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's interesting to me that OpenAI considers scraping to be a form of abuse.

Scraping static content from a website at near-zero marginal cost to its server, vs scraping an expensive LLM service provided for free, are different things. The former relies on fairly controversial ideas about copyright and fair use to qualify as abuse, whereas the latter is direct financial damage – by your own direct competitors no less. It's fun to poke at a seeming hypocrisy of the big bad, but the similarity…

That is ridiculous.

You imply that "an expensive llm service" is harmed by abuse, but, every other service is not? Because their websites are "static" and "near-zero marginal cost"?

You have no clue what you are talking about.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by lm411 »

MyNameIsNickT wrote: post #49

Hey! I'm Nick, and I work on Integrity at OpenAI. These checks are part of how we protect our first-party products from abuse like bots, scraping, fraud, and other attempts to misuse the platform. A big reason we invest in this is because we want to keep free and logged-out access available for more users. My team’s goal is to help make sure the limited GPU resources are going to real users. We also keep a very close…

"we protect our first-party products from abuse like bots, scraping, fraud, and other attempts to misuse the platform"

The scary part is that you don't even see the irony in writing this.

Or, are you just okay "misusing" everyone for your own benefit?

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by himata4113 »

londons_explore wrote: post #12

I just don't understand why bot owners can't just run a complete windows 11 VM running Google Chrome complete with graphics acceleration. You can probably run 50 of those simultaneously if you use memory page deduplication, and with a decent CPU+GPU you ought to be able to render 50 pages a second. That's 1 cent per thousand page loads on AWS. Damn cheap.

284 on 296gb of ram with deduplication enabled on a 128c with 32Q vgpu.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by vlovich123 »

MyNameIsNickT wrote: post #49

Hey! I'm Nick, and I work on Integrity at OpenAI. These checks are part of how we protect our first-party products from abuse like bots, scraping, fraud, and other attempts to misuse the platform. A big reason we invest in this is because we want to keep free and logged-out access available for more users. My team’s goal is to help make sure the limited GPU resources are going to real users. We also keep a very close…

That still doesn’t explain why you can’t even start typing until that check proceeds. You could condition the outbound request from being processed until that’s the case. But preventing from typing seems like it’s just worse UX and the problem will fail to appear in any metrics you can track because you have no way of measuring “how quickly would the user have submitted their request without all this other stuff in the way”.

Said another way, if done in the background the user wouldn’t even notice unless they typed and submitted their query before the check completed. In the realistic scenario this would complete before they even submit their request.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by sdsd »

holler wrote: post #290
Den_VR wrote: post #283

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I miss the www where the .html was written in vim or notepad.

ahh yes, fresh off reading "Html For Dummies" I made my first tripod.com site

For me it was making a petpage for my neopets using https://lissaexplains.com/

It's still up in all its glory.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by eru »

PunchyHamster wrote: post #256
nikitaga wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Scraping static content from a website at near-zero marginal cost to its server, vs scraping an expensive LLM service provided for free, are different things. The former relies on fairly controversial ideas about copyright and fair use to qualify as abuse, whereas the latter is direct financial damage – by your own direct competitors no less. It's fun to poke at a seeming hypocrisy of the big bad, but the similarity…

> Scraping static content from a website at near-zero marginal cost to its server, vs scraping an expensive LLM service provided for free, are different things. I bet people being fucking DDOSed by AI bots disagree Also the fucking ignorance assuming it's "static content" and not something needing code running

> I bet people being fucking DDOSed by AI bots disagree

Are you sure it's a DDoS and not just a DoS?

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by kelnos »

MyNameIsNickT wrote: post #49

Hey! I'm Nick, and I work on Integrity at OpenAI. These checks are part of how we protect our first-party products from abuse like bots, scraping, fraud, and other attempts to misuse the platform. A big reason we invest in this is because we want to keep free and logged-out access available for more users. My team’s goal is to help make sure the limited GPU resources are going to real users. We also keep a very close…

> A big reason we invest in this is because we want to keep free and logged-out access available for more users.

Are these checks disabled for logged-in, paid users?

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by SolarNet »

eru wrote: post #297
PunchyHamster wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Scraping static content from a website at near-zero marginal cost to its server, vs scraping an expensive LLM service provided for free, are different things. I bet people being fucking DDOSed by AI bots disagree Also the fucking ignorance assuming it's "static content" and not something needing code running

> I bet people being fucking DDOSed by AI bots disagree Are you sure it's a DDoS and not just a DoS?

When every AI company does it from multiple data centers... yes it's distributed.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by Bilal_io »

eru wrote: post #297
PunchyHamster wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Scraping static content from a website at near-zero marginal cost to its server, vs scraping an expensive LLM service provided for free, are different things. I bet people being fucking DDOSed by AI bots disagree Also the fucking ignorance assuming it's "static content" and not something needing code running

> I bet people being fucking DDOSed by AI bots disagree Are you sure it's a DDoS and not just a DoS?

Uncoordinated DDoS, when multiple search and AI companies are hammering your server.
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