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Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by Terretta »

magicseth wrote: post #99
0x3f wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meet me in a cafe and I will sign a JWT saying you're not a bot. You can submit this to whoever will accept it.

If apple approves it, ive got a solution: A keyboardthat attests to your humanity https://typed.by/magicseth/2451#2NyGLfAQxmqRiAOTlaX7ma3G4d1o...

The first widely distributed and open source version of this typist timing validation idea I saw (and incorporated into my own software at the time) was released by Michael Crichton as part of a password 2nd-factor checker (1st factor a known phrase or even your name, the 2nd factor being your idiosyncratic typing pattern) in Creative Computing magazine that printed the code.

Original here: https://archive.org/details/sim_creative-computing_1984-06_1...

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by Barbing »

karlgkk wrote: post #197
mememememememo wrote: post #157

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Local models for privacy. You want to go to the world's best hotel? You are gonna be on their CCTV. Staying at home is crappier but private. Unfortunately for the first time moores law isn't helping (e.g. give a poor person an old laptop and install linux they will be fine). They can do that and all good except no LLM.

> You want to go to the world's best hotel? You are gonna be on their CCTV. ironically, in high end hotels, there's often a lot less cctv. not none. just less. rich people enjoy privacy

So they’re not just hidden better? Does make sense.

Well, I can use the world‘s best safety deposit box without being on CCTV while I pass secrets in and out of it, right? Just not for free.

Bummer, this sounds like it is about to turn into a Monero ad (“let us pay privately”)

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Post by Velocifyer »

magicseth wrote: post #198
Velocifyer wrote: post #168

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This does not prove anything and it is only avalible to users with X.com accounts (you need a X.com account to download the app).

Hi! You don't need an x.com account to download, that's just the easiest way to dm me. If you're actually interested, I can let you try it! The source is also available. It proves 1) that an apple device with a secure enclave signed it. 2) that my app signed it. If you trust the binary I've distributed is the same as the one on the app store, then it also proves: 3) that it was typed on my keyboard not using automati…

>that an apple device with a secure enclave signed it.

What Apple devices are supported? All I have is a iPhone 4 running a old iOS version(pre iOS 7) (which I will not update and I don't think has a secure enclave) and a M1 mac mini and some lightning earpods and a apple thunderbolt display and some USB-A chargers and some old MacBooks.

I saw something about android (https://typed.by/manifesto#:~:text=Android,Integrity) on the website, but it mentioned Play Integrity which I do not have becuase I use LineageOS for MicroG.

I think that the concept is stupid becuase it would require to somehow prove that the app is not modified(which is impractical) and there is no stylus on a motor or fake screen(which is also impractical).

I think that a better aproach would be to form a Web Of Trust where only people's (not just humans, this would include all animals and potentially aliens but no clankers) certificates are signed, but with a interface that is friendly to people who are not very into technology but with some sort of way to not have who your friends are revealed, but this would still allow someone to get a attestation for their robot.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by singpolyma3 »

oblio wrote: post #214
singpolyma3 wrote: post #153

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How?

Because OpenAI built their entire business around shamelessly scraping anything that had bits on it.

Maybe. But scraping isn't abuse. Seems a bit different?

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

sebmellen wrote: post #58
MyNameIsNickT wrote: post #49

Hey! I'm Nick, and I work on Integrity at OpenAI. These checks are part of how we protect our first-party products from abuse like bots, scraping, fraud, and other attempts to misuse the platform. A big reason we invest in this is because we want to keep free and logged-out access available for more users. My team’s goal is to help make sure the limited GPU resources are going to real users. We also keep a very close…

Great to hear from a first-party source. I'm a Pro subscriber and my team spends well over two thousand dollars per month on OpenAI subscriptions. However, even when I'm logged in with my Pro account, if I'm using a VPN provider like Mullvad, I often have trouble using the chat interface or I get timeout errors. Is this to be expected? I would presume that if I'm authenticated and paying, VPN use wouldn't be a worry.…

> even when I'm logged in with my Pro account, if I'm using a VPN provider like Mullvad, I often have trouble using the chat interface or I get timeout errors

Heard from a founder who recently switched his company to Claude due to OpenAI's lagginess–it's absolutely an OpenAI problem. Not an AI problem in general.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by driverdan »

MyNameIsNickT wrote: post #49

Hey! I'm Nick, and I work on Integrity at OpenAI. These checks are part of how we protect our first-party products from abuse like bots, scraping, fraud, and other attempts to misuse the platform. A big reason we invest in this is because we want to keep free and logged-out access available for more users. My team’s goal is to help make sure the limited GPU resources are going to real users. We also keep a very close…

Brand new account with 2 comments in this thread. How can we be sure you're not a bot deployed to defend OpenAI?

Please run Cloudflare's privacy invasive tool and share all the values it generates here so we can determine if you're a real person.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by small_scombrus »

lxgr wrote: post #142
gruez wrote: post #45

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>The real frustrating part is that Cloudflare's "definition" of suspicious keeps changing and expanding. That's... exactly expected? It's a cat and mouse game. People running botnets or AI scrapers aren't diligently setting the evil bit on their packets.

So the stable state here is all humans eventually being locked out? (Bots are getting better every day; I doubt the same is true for all humans, including those with weird browsers or networks unwilling to install some dystopian Cloudflare "Internet passport".) But hey, at least some bots are also not making it past Cloudflare!

> So the stable state here is all humans eventually being locked out?

Yep. The most easy to implement stable state for any system where you're aiming to prevent misuse is to just prevent use

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by bakugo »

nslsm wrote: post #220
nikitaga wrote: post #217

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Scraping static content from a website at near-zero marginal cost to its server, vs scraping an expensive LLM service provided for free, are different things. The former relies on fairly controversial ideas about copyright and fair use to qualify as abuse, whereas the latter is direct financial damage – by your own direct competitors no less. It's fun to poke at a seeming hypocrisy of the big bad, but the similarity…

The issue is that there are so many awful webmasters that have websites that take hundreds of milliseconds to generate and are brought down by a couple requests a second.

OpenAI must be the most awful webmasters of all, then, to need such sophisticated protections.

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Post by WatchDog »

lxgr wrote: post #142
gruez wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The real frustrating part is that Cloudflare's "definition" of suspicious keeps changing and expanding. That's... exactly expected? It's a cat and mouse game. People running botnets or AI scrapers aren't diligently setting the evil bit on their packets.

So the stable state here is all humans eventually being locked out? (Bots are getting better every day; I doubt the same is true for all humans, including those with weird browsers or networks unwilling to install some dystopian Cloudflare "Internet passport".) But hey, at least some bots are also not making it past Cloudflare!

The inevitability is that these kinds of services just won't be offered without identifying yourself.

Claude's free tier requires a phone number just to try it.

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