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Re: Sky Wins Irish Court Order to Unmask 300 Pirate IPTV Users via Revolut Bank

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

silisili wrote: post #2

I'm pretty uneasy about legal action against the subscribers themselves. If you can prove intent, maybe? But I'd argue many or even most don't realize they're doing anything illegal. These IPTV companies, in my experience, never advertise that it's illegal. It's just give us money for a lot of TV channels, just like a cable company does.

I'm not familiar with how these IPTV companies market their services, but I'm extremely skeptical of the notion that people don't realize they're buying something illegal when they're paying a small percentage of what the services themselves would cost.

It's like those folks that sold bootleg DVDs out of their trenchcoats in Manhattan - the defense of "gosh, I never knew buying a just-released-in-theaters Hollywood blockbuster for $5 by some dude on the side of Broadway was illegal" was never going to fly.

Re: Sky Wins Irish Court Order to Unmask 300 Pirate IPTV Users via Revolut Bank

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Post by pjriot »

pjc50 wrote: post #7

Huh, Ireland has copied English law so precisely that it also has Norwich Pharmacal and Anton Pillar orders? (De anonymozation of third parties and non-crime search warrants respectively)

I guess that the legal framework that enables the orders was inherited by the Irish state. (according to wikipedia the orders can be made in Canada and Australia too)

Re: Sky Wins Irish Court Order to Unmask 300 Pirate IPTV Users via Revolut Bank

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Post by echoangle »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #11
silisili wrote: post #2

I'm pretty uneasy about legal action against the subscribers themselves. If you can prove intent, maybe? But I'd argue many or even most don't realize they're doing anything illegal. These IPTV companies, in my experience, never advertise that it's illegal. It's just give us money for a lot of TV channels, just like a cable company does.

I'm not familiar with how these IPTV companies market their services, but I'm extremely skeptical of the notion that people don't realize they're buying something illegal when they're paying a small percentage of what the services themselves would cost. It's like those folks that sold bootleg DVDs out of their trenchcoats in Manhattan - the defense of "gosh, I never knew buying a just-released-in-theaters Hollywood b…

> It's like those folks that sold bootleg DVDs out of their trenchcoats in Manhattan - the defense of "gosh, I never knew buying a just-released-in-theaters Hollywood blockbuster for $5 by some dude on the side of Broadway was illegal" was never going to fly.

Is buying bootleg DVDs actually illegal? Isn’t the thing protected by copyright distribution? The seller is doing the distribution, I’m only buying it so it’s fine, no?

Re: Sky Wins Irish Court Order to Unmask 300 Pirate IPTV Users via Revolut Bank

#14

Post by echoangle »

tene80i wrote: post #4
Asooka wrote: post #3

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You’ll find that a pretty unpopular attitude around here (hence the downvoting on your comment, and I assume mine shortly), but you are right.

It’s unpopular because it’s a bad argument. It’s not theft because you don’t take anything away. You just create a copy and don’t pay for it, but that’s not theft.

Re: Sky Wins Irish Court Order to Unmask 300 Pirate IPTV Users via Revolut Bank

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Post by vaginaphobic »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #11
silisili wrote: post #2

I'm pretty uneasy about legal action against the subscribers themselves. If you can prove intent, maybe? But I'd argue many or even most don't realize they're doing anything illegal. These IPTV companies, in my experience, never advertise that it's illegal. It's just give us money for a lot of TV channels, just like a cable company does.

I'm not familiar with how these IPTV companies market their services, but I'm extremely skeptical of the notion that people don't realize they're buying something illegal when they're paying a small percentage of what the services themselves would cost. It's like those folks that sold bootleg DVDs out of their trenchcoats in Manhattan - the defense of "gosh, I never knew buying a just-released-in-theaters Hollywood b…

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Re: Sky Wins Irish Court Order to Unmask 300 Pirate IPTV Users via Revolut Bank

#17

Post by xtracto »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #11
silisili wrote: post #2

I'm pretty uneasy about legal action against the subscribers themselves. If you can prove intent, maybe? But I'd argue many or even most don't realize they're doing anything illegal. These IPTV companies, in my experience, never advertise that it's illegal. It's just give us money for a lot of TV channels, just like a cable company does.

I'm not familiar with how these IPTV companies market their services, but I'm extremely skeptical of the notion that people don't realize they're buying something illegal when they're paying a small percentage of what the services themselves would cost. It's like those folks that sold bootleg DVDs out of their trenchcoats in Manhattan - the defense of "gosh, I never knew buying a just-released-in-theaters Hollywood b…

More like buying the hacked DirecTV Sim cards.

Re: Sky Wins Irish Court Order to Unmask 300 Pirate IPTV Users via Revolut Bank

#18

Post by hrimfaxi »

echoangle wrote: post #14
tene80i wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’ll find that a pretty unpopular attitude around here (hence the downvoting on your comment, and I assume mine shortly), but you are right.

It’s unpopular because it’s a bad argument. It’s not theft because you don’t take anything away. You just create a copy and don’t pay for it, but that’s not theft.

It might not be theft but it's not nothing either. Manslaughter isn't murder but someone still died. Copying might not be theft but you're still taking something you didn't pay for.
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