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Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by mystraline »

vkou wrote: post #101
MyNameIsNickT wrote: post #49

Hey! I'm Nick, and I work on Integrity at OpenAI. These checks are part of how we protect our first-party products from abuse like bots, scraping, fraud, and other attempts to misuse the platform. A big reason we invest in this is because we want to keep free and logged-out access available for more users. My team’s goal is to help make sure the limited GPU resources are going to real users. We also keep a very close…

> Hey! I'm Nick, and I work on Integrity at OpenAI. These checks are part of how we protect our first-party products from abuse like bots, scraping, fraud, and other attempts to misuse the platform. How can first-party products protect themselves from abuse by OpenAI's bots and scraping?

This is a completely in-scope question.

How do we defend against your scraping, OpenAI?

I dont want any of my content scraped or seen by you all. Frankly, fuck you all for thinking my content is owned by you.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by halJordan »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #78
everdrive wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's getting to the point where a user needs at minimum two browsers. One to allow all this horrendous client checking so that crucial services work, and another browser to attempt to prevent tracking users across the web. Nick, I understand the practical realities regarding why you'd need to try to tamp down on some bot traffic, but do you see a world where users are not forced to choose between privacy and function…

Firefox multicontainers are pretty cool. But it’s an advanced process that most people wouldn’t do or do correctly.

It is absolutely not an advanced process. It's clicking a gui. It's not advanced thinking to understand profiles. It's a basic ability to hold multiple things in your mind at once. Telling people that's difficult only increases the societal problem that being ignorant is ok.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by Velocifyer »

Arainach wrote: post #165
mzajc wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brilliant! Just the thing we want: more hardware attestation, more deanonymization, less user control, all diligently orchestrated in a repository where the only contributor is Anthropic Claude [0]. Comes complete with a misaligned ASCII diagram in the README to show how much effort the humans behind it put in! Yes, even their "humanifesto" is LLM output, and is written almost exclusively in the "it's not X it's Y" s…

> Yes, even their "humanifesto" is LLM output, and is written almost exclusively in the "it's not X it's Y" style. ....no. There's not a single occurrence of that. https://keywitness.io/manifesto There are six emdashes on that page. NONE of them are "it's not X it's why". > Emails, messages, essays, code reviews, love letters — all suspect. > We believe this can be solved — not by detecting AI, but by proving humanit…

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Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by 0x3f »

hathawsh wrote: post #169
__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #94

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The sooner we do the better.

I wonder what the PGP signing concept does to thwart people who want to profit and don't care about the public good. It seems like anyone who attends a signing party can sell their key to the highest bidder, leading to bots and spammers all over again.

You can never prevent things like this, but you can make it expensive enough to effectively solve the problem for almost all use cases.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by josephg »

Arainach wrote: post #165
mzajc wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brilliant! Just the thing we want: more hardware attestation, more deanonymization, less user control, all diligently orchestrated in a repository where the only contributor is Anthropic Claude [0]. Comes complete with a misaligned ASCII diagram in the README to show how much effort the humans behind it put in! Yes, even their "humanifesto" is LLM output, and is written almost exclusively in the "it's not X it's Y" s…

> Yes, even their "humanifesto" is LLM output, and is written almost exclusively in the "it's not X it's Y" style. ....no. There's not a single occurrence of that. https://keywitness.io/manifesto There are six emdashes on that page. NONE of them are "it's not X it's why". > Emails, messages, essays, code reviews, love letters — all suspect. > We believe this can be solved — not by detecting AI, but by proving humanit…

> We believe this can be solved — not by detecting AI, but by proving humanity

“It's not X -- it's Y": 1

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by zer00eyz »

Imnimo wrote: post #149
MyNameIsNickT wrote: post #49

Hey! I'm Nick, and I work on Integrity at OpenAI. These checks are part of how we protect our first-party products from abuse like bots, scraping, fraud, and other attempts to misuse the platform. A big reason we invest in this is because we want to keep free and logged-out access available for more users. My team’s goal is to help make sure the limited GPU resources are going to real users. We also keep a very close…

It's interesting to me that OpenAI considers scraping to be a form of abuse.

" Integrity at OpenAI .. protect ... abuse like bots, scraping, fraud "

Did you mean to use the word hypocrisy. If not, I'm happy to have said it.

I just want to note, that it is well covered how good the support is for actual malware...

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by zenethian »

0x3f wrote: post #81
noosphr wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>These checks are part of how we protect our first-party products from abuse like bots, scraping, fraud, and other attempts to misuse the platform. Can you share these mitigations so we can mitigate against you?

It's just Cloudflare. Bypassing it is a whole industry.

I read the comment as “use it to mitigate against OpenAI bots scraping the web” and not to mitigate Cloudflare.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by dandellion »

Arainach wrote: post #165
mzajc wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brilliant! Just the thing we want: more hardware attestation, more deanonymization, less user control, all diligently orchestrated in a repository where the only contributor is Anthropic Claude [0]. Comes complete with a misaligned ASCII diagram in the README to show how much effort the humans behind it put in! Yes, even their "humanifesto" is LLM output, and is written almost exclusively in the "it's not X it's Y" s…

> Yes, even their "humanifesto" is LLM output, and is written almost exclusively in the "it's not X it's Y" style. ....no. There's not a single occurrence of that. https://keywitness.io/manifesto There are six emdashes on that page. NONE of them are "it's not X it's why". > Emails, messages, essays, code reviews, love letters — all suspect. > We believe this can be solved — not by detecting AI, but by proving humanit…

It's either a bot, or someone who writes exactly like a bot. I don't care which it is, both go to the discard pile.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

everdrive wrote: post #69
MyNameIsNickT wrote: post #49

Hey! I'm Nick, and I work on Integrity at OpenAI. These checks are part of how we protect our first-party products from abuse like bots, scraping, fraud, and other attempts to misuse the platform. A big reason we invest in this is because we want to keep free and logged-out access available for more users. My team’s goal is to help make sure the limited GPU resources are going to real users. We also keep a very close…

It's getting to the point where a user needs at minimum two browsers. One to allow all this horrendous client checking so that crucial services work, and another browser to attempt to prevent tracking users across the web. Nick, I understand the practical realities regarding why you'd need to try to tamp down on some bot traffic, but do you see a world where users are not forced to choose between privacy and function…

I've been doing that for years. Cloudflare is slowly breaking more and more of the web.
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