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Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #78
everdrive wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's getting to the point where a user needs at minimum two browsers. One to allow all this horrendous client checking so that crucial services work, and another browser to attempt to prevent tracking users across the web. Nick, I understand the practical realities regarding why you'd need to try to tamp down on some bot traffic, but do you see a world where users are not forced to choose between privacy and function…

Firefox multicontainers are pretty cool. But it’s an advanced process that most people wouldn’t do or do correctly.

The possibilities with Firefox multi containers and automation scripts as well are truly endless.

It's also possible to make Firefox route each container through a different proxy which could be running locally even which then can connect to multiple different VPN's. I haven't tried doing that but its certainly possible.

It's sort of possible to run different browsers with completely new identities and sometimes IP within the convenience of one. It's really underrated. I don't use the IP part of this that I have mentioned but I use multi containers quite a lot on zen and they are kind of core part of how I browse the web and there are many cool things which can be done/have been done with them.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by traceroute66 »

whatisthiseven wrote: post #53
lucasfin000 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real frustrating part is that Cloudflare's "definition" of suspicious keeps changing and expanding. VPN users, privacy-first browsers, uncommon IP ranges, they all get flagged. The people most likely to get caught by these systems are exactly the ones who care most about their privacy, and not the bots that they are apparently targeting.

Which VPNs are people using that actually care about the user's privacy? Most of them don't, sell their home IP to buyers, sell their DNS history to others, etc. Worse, some of them could require invasive MITM cert stuff most users will just click yes through. I have yet to see a use case for VPNs for the casual internet audience, and for a tech savvy user, their better off renting through some datacenter or somethin…

> Which VPNs are people using that actually care about the user's privacy?

Mullvad.

It has been proven in a court of law that when Mullvad says "no logging", they mean it.

They also regularly have security audits and publish the results[2][3]

[1]https://mullvad.net/en/blog/mullvad-vpn-was-subject-to-a-sea... [2]https://mullvad.net/en/blog/new-security-audit-of-account-an... [3]https://mullvad.net/en/blog/successful-security-assessment-o...

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by jagged-chisel »

gruez wrote: post #45
lucasfin000 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real frustrating part is that Cloudflare's "definition" of suspicious keeps changing and expanding. VPN users, privacy-first browsers, uncommon IP ranges, they all get flagged. The people most likely to get caught by these systems are exactly the ones who care most about their privacy, and not the bots that they are apparently targeting.

>The real frustrating part is that Cloudflare's "definition" of suspicious keeps changing and expanding. That's... exactly expected? It's a cat and mouse game. People running botnets or AI scrapers aren't diligently setting the evil bit on their packets.

That’s obviously because they’re not being “evil”

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

jagged-chisel wrote: post #88
0x3f wrote: post #79

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Meet me in a cafe and I will sign a JWT saying you're not a bot. You can submit this to whoever will accept it.

Sounds like we’re bringing back the PGP key signing parties

The sooner we do the better.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by elwebmaster »

Chance-Device wrote: post #9

Perhaps the author should have made it clearer why we should care about any of this. OpenAI want you to use their real react app. That’s… ok? I skimmed the article looking for the punchline and there doesn’t seem to be one.

That's because the article is AI slop.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by dawnerd »

noosphr wrote: post #71
MyNameIsNickT wrote: post #49

Hey! I'm Nick, and I work on Integrity at OpenAI. These checks are part of how we protect our first-party products from abuse like bots, scraping, fraud, and other attempts to misuse the platform. A big reason we invest in this is because we want to keep free and logged-out access available for more users. My team’s goal is to help make sure the limited GPU resources are going to real users. We also keep a very close…

>These checks are part of how we protect our first-party products from abuse like bots, scraping, fraud, and other attempts to misuse the platform. Can you share these mitigations so we can mitigate against you?

Flaresolverr is one way. Isn’t perfect but bypasses a lot.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by magicseth »

0x3f wrote: post #79
everdrive wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's getting to the point where a user needs at minimum two browsers. One to allow all this horrendous client checking so that crucial services work, and another browser to attempt to prevent tracking users across the web. Nick, I understand the practical realities regarding why you'd need to try to tamp down on some bot traffic, but do you see a world where users are not forced to choose between privacy and function…

Meet me in a cafe and I will sign a JWT saying you're not a bot. You can submit this to whoever will accept it.

If apple approves it, ive got a solution: A keyboardthat attests to your humanity https://typed.by/magicseth/2451#2NyGLfAQxmqRiAOTlaX7ma3G4d1o...

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by dawnerd »

lxgr wrote: post #14

It's absurd how unusable Cloudflare is making the web when using a browser or IP address they consider "suspicious". I've lately been drowning in captchas for the crime of using Firefox. All in the interest of "bot protection", of course.

I’ve been getting it in safari too. It’s ridiculous frankly. My residential ip must have been flagged or something. The part that’s really annoying is its trivial for bots to bypass.
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