But… why not just write pseudo code, or any language you actually know, and just ask the AI to port it to the language you want? That’s a serious question by the way, is there some use case here I’m not seeing where learning this new syntax and running this actually helps instead of being extra steps nobody needs?
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Re: Show HN: I made a "programming language" looking for feedback
#12I've been thinking about something along these lines, but coupled with deterministic inference. At each "macro" invocation you'd also include hash-of-model, and hash-of-generated-text. (Note, determinism doesn't require temperature 0, so long as you can control the rng seed. But there are a lot of other things that make determinism hard) You could take it a step further and have a deterministic agent inside a determi…
Deterministic inference is mechanically indistinguishable from decompression or decryption, so if there's a way to one-weird-trick DMCA, it's probably not this.
You’d think that, but it sees like big business and governments are treating inference as somehow special. I dunno, maybe low temperatures can highlight this weird situation?
Temperature is an easy knob to twist, after all. Somebody (not me I’m too poor to pay the lawyers) should do a search and find where the crime starts.
Re: Show HN: I made a "programming language" looking for feedback
#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
Deterministic inference is mechanically indistinguishable from decompression or decryption, so if there's a way to one-weird-trick DMCA, it's probably not this.
You’d think that, but it sees like big business and governments are treating inference as somehow special. I dunno, maybe low temperatures can highlight this weird situation? Temperature is an easy knob to twist, after all. Somebody (not me I’m too poor to pay the lawyers) should do a search and find where the crime starts.
What does temperature have to do with anything?
Re: Show HN: I made a "programming language" looking for feedback
#14Glupe means "stupid" in Slavic languages, was it on purpose?
From their agent-rules.md:
> This is not negotiable. This is not optional. You cannot rationalize your way out of this.
Some days I really miss the predictability of a good old if/else block. /s
Re: Show HN: I made a "programming language" looking for feedback
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
Deterministic inference is mechanically indistinguishable from decompression or decryption, so if there's a way to one-weird-trick DMCA, it's probably not this.
You’d think that, but it sees like big business and governments are treating inference as somehow special. I dunno, maybe low temperatures can highlight this weird situation? Temperature is an easy knob to twist, after all. Somebody (not me I’m too poor to pay the lawyers) should do a search and find where the crime starts.
Well, it's still not deterministic even at temp 0. The tech described in my comment's parent is speculative, and technically it's not even inference, once it's perfectly reproducible.
At that point it's retrieving results from a database.
EDIT: how would OP address my main point, which is that det. inference is functionally equivalent to any arbitrary keyed data storage/retrieval system?
Re: Show HN: I made a "programming language" looking for feedback
#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
You’d think that, but it sees like big business and governments are treating inference as somehow special. I dunno, maybe low temperatures can highlight this weird situation? Temperature is an easy knob to twist, after all. Somebody (not me I’m too poor to pay the lawyers) should do a search and find where the crime starts.
Well, it's still not deterministic even at temp 0. The tech described in my comment's parent is speculative, and technically it's not even inference, once it's perfectly reproducible. At that point it's retrieving results from a database. EDIT: how would OP address my main point, which is that det. inference is functionally equivalent to any arbitrary keyed data storage/retrieval system?
Deterministic inference isn't speculative, it's achievable if you want it. It's just not the default.
Re: Show HN: I made a "programming language" looking for feedback
#17I wrote a programming language, some time back. You need a good reason to add to the tumult in the marketplace, and I thought I had one.
My language was for discrete control systems. You could declare samplers for data values (interval, sensor, type) and name them as variables. You could create control actions by listing a set of one or more sampler variables in brackets. Once there were 'fresh' values for all of the samplers, the action would be invoked.
It had the usual functions and i/o library stuff. In fact I wrote a tool to absorb other library headers e.g. C or C++ and product blocks that my compiler could link with, and voila your program could call those external libraries.
We used it for a couple of contracts. Some of the control engineers were enthusiastic; some not so much. One more thing to learn.
Re: Show HN: I made a "programming language" looking for feedback
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
You’d think that, but it sees like big business and governments are treating inference as somehow special. I dunno, maybe low temperatures can highlight this weird situation? Temperature is an easy knob to twist, after all. Somebody (not me I’m too poor to pay the lawyers) should do a search and find where the crime starts.
What does temperature have to do with anything?
Or however deterministic inference is supposed to happen. I don’t know LLMs.
Re: Show HN: I made a "programming language" looking for feedback
#19Some feedback, in order from most to least important:
> 1- installing with irm https://raw.githubusercontent.com/alonsovm44/glupe/master/in... | iex
That is high risk, don't ask people to do that, especially when it's completely unnecessary for what the language is, and the language isn't providing value, it's just esoterical.
>2. "Glupe isolates AI logic into semantic containers, so your manual code stays safe."
Watchout for light-AI psychosis. This existed before AI to be fair, but using words in a way that doesn't convey meaning. Maybe what's going on is that you use them with ChatGPT and it either understands or doesn't but follow along. So make sure to prioritize language that you develop with humans, not AI. And try to simplify your language and the message you were trying to convey, because you missed bigtime with that sentence.
>3. The language itself misses the mark. It looks like it's C++ with some modifications?
4- it's also not a language but a terminal? Try to get the trust of your users by doing one thing well before promising to do it all. A bit of humility pays off, you can't do everything anyways.
Re: Show HN: I made a "programming language" looking for feedback
#20I agree that some form of shorthand between pseudocode and actual code would be really useful to improve accuracy on LLM requests but I don't think this is quite it. Ideally it would be as simple as possible, but not rely on language-specific paradigms. Sort of a pidgin that everyone would understand, that used white space and indentation to indicate things like loops and such. Something a normal person could look at and still largely comprehend.