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Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by hansvm »

cogman10 wrote: post #36
danielheath wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe check your network isn't sending web traffic you're not aware of? I'm running firefox and seeing the normal amount.

Every so often, usually after a firefox update, CF will get into a "I'm convinced your a bot" mode with me. I can get out of it by solving 20 CAPTCHAs.

It's probably just a higher rate of autonomous vehicles needing stop signs and buses identified at that moment, and cognitive bias causes you to only remember when that happens when you recently performed an update. /s

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by g-b-r »

danielheath wrote: post #26
lxgr wrote: post #14

It's absurd how unusable Cloudflare is making the web when using a browser or IP address they consider "suspicious". I've lately been drowning in captchas for the crime of using Firefox. All in the interest of "bot protection", of course.

Maybe check your network isn't sending web traffic you're not aware of? I'm running firefox and seeing the normal amount.

Maybe you allow tracking and cookies?

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by gruez »

forkerenok wrote: post #40
gruez wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Their product giving false positives (unnecessary challenges for a normal browser humans commonly use) to real people is definitely their fault. Is it TSA's "fault" that non-terrorists are subject to screening?

We're discussing the quality of screening here, not the act/necessity of screening itself.

>We're discussing the quality of screening here

The "quality" of TSA's screening seems be pretty bad too given how many people have to go through secondary screening vs how many terrorist they catch (0?)

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by gruez »

lucasfin000 wrote: post #32
lxgr wrote: post #14

It's absurd how unusable Cloudflare is making the web when using a browser or IP address they consider "suspicious". I've lately been drowning in captchas for the crime of using Firefox. All in the interest of "bot protection", of course.

The real frustrating part is that Cloudflare's "definition" of suspicious keeps changing and expanding. VPN users, privacy-first browsers, uncommon IP ranges, they all get flagged. The people most likely to get caught by these systems are exactly the ones who care most about their privacy, and not the bots that they are apparently targeting.

>The real frustrating part is that Cloudflare's "definition" of suspicious keeps changing and expanding.

That's... exactly expected? It's a cat and mouse game. People running botnets or AI scrapers aren't diligently setting the evil bit on their packets.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by Eji1700 »

g-b-r wrote: post #43
danielheath wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe check your network isn't sending web traffic you're not aware of? I'm running firefox and seeing the normal amount.

Maybe you allow tracking and cookies?

I don't, and I rarely have issues with firefox. Private + blockers + VPN causes, expected, issues but otherwise i'm usually fine?

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by gruez »

hansvm wrote: post #41
cogman10 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every so often, usually after a firefox update, CF will get into a "I'm convinced your a bot" mode with me. I can get out of it by solving 20 CAPTCHAs.

It's probably just a higher rate of autonomous vehicles needing stop signs and buses identified at that moment, and cognitive bias causes you to only remember when that happens when you recently performed an update. /s

>It's probably just a higher rate of autonomous vehicles needing stop signs and buses identified at that moment

I can't tell whether you're serious but in case you are, this theory immediately falls apart when you realize waymo operates at night but there aren't any night photos.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by cogman10 »

hansvm wrote: post #41
cogman10 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every so often, usually after a firefox update, CF will get into a "I'm convinced your a bot" mode with me. I can get out of it by solving 20 CAPTCHAs.

It's probably just a higher rate of autonomous vehicles needing stop signs and buses identified at that moment, and cognitive bias causes you to only remember when that happens when you recently performed an update. /s

My assumption is that CF has something like a SVM that it's feeding a bunch of datapoints into for bot detection. Go over some threshold and you end up in the CAPTCHA jail.

I'm certain the User-Agent is part of it. I know that for certain because a very reliable way I can trigger the CF stuff is this plugin with the wrong browser selected [1].

[1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/uaswitcher/

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

#49

Post by MyNameIsNickT »

Hey! I'm Nick, and I work on Integrity at OpenAI. These checks are part of how we protect our first-party products from abuse like bots, scraping, fraud, and other attempts to misuse the platform.

A big reason we invest in this is because we want to keep free and logged-out access available for more users. My team’s goal is to help make sure the limited GPU resources are going to real users.

We also keep a very close eye on the user impact. We monitor things like page load time, time to first token and payload size, with a focus on reducing the overhead of these protections. For the majority of people, the impact is negligible, and only a very small percentage may see a slight delay from extra checks. We also continuously evaluate precision so we can minimize false positives while still making abuse meaningfully harder.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by gruez »

appreciatorBus wrote: post #13
simonw wrote: post #6

Presumably this is all because OpenAI offers free ChatGPT to logged out users and don't want that being abused as a free API endpoint.

Yup. Coincidentally about an hour ago, I wanted to look something up in ChatGPT and I happened to be in a browser window I don’t normally use, with no logged in accounts. I assumed it wouldn’t work, but to my surprise with no account, no cookies of any kind it took my query and gave me an answer.

>I assumed it wouldn’t work, but to my surprise with no account, no cookies of any kind it took my query and gave me an answer.

They allowed anonymous requests for months now, maybe even a year.

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