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Post by woodruffw »

schmookeeg wrote: post #97
AlotOfReading wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, the TSA exists because 19 people hijacked 4 flights and succeeded in crashing 3 of them into various important buildings in the US on 9/11/2001. Private planes are just as capable of crashing into buildings as commercial jets. The TSA has picked up some ancillary public safety functions over the years, but their raison d'etre is to prevent hijackings.

In terms of menace potential, any private plane will lose to a van full of fertilizer and a baddie intent on causing destruction. It's a matter of scale. Little planes, like this one [1] just don't do damage on the same scale as airliners. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Austin_suicide_attack

Most private planes taking off from commercial airports (the ones where TSA generally operates) are much larger than a Piper Dakota.

(But regardless, it’s not clear that the TSA is even performing that kind of calculus.)

Re: TSA lines are so out of control that travelers are hiring line-sitters

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

Someone1234 wrote: post #51
otterley wrote: post #29

I don’t even understand why this is an issue, because TSA screening is funded through user fees. There’s a line item of $5.60 per one-way ticket for exactly this that’s separate from airfare and other fees. ( https://www.tsa.gov/for-industry/security-fees ) If this is so, why does Congress have to fund the program? Why not pass the funds through directly to the agency?

The question itself feels like it calls for "Schoolhouse Rock" level basics about how the federal government works. The federal government does not work like a private escrow account where a fee collected for X automatically goes to Y. Tax revenue comes in to the Treasury, and Congress decides what agencies are allowed to spend. So even if TSA screening is funded in part by a per-ticket user fee, TSA still does not g…

SFO doesn’t use TSA for security and works like this with whatever contractor it hire. I wish all airports would just use private security funded via usage fees, then we would never be held hostage because some whacko wanted to use masked thugs to beat up and shoot Americans.

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Post by kgermino »

AzN1337c0d3r wrote: post #49
hammock wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should private plane passengers be subject to TSA? TSA (paid for by you and me by the way, not for free) exists to protect the public from harm, on public flights by common carriers. It used to be contracted by airlines themselves. Unless you are the most extreme of pro-seatbelt law people, it would make little sense for TSA to screen anyone on a private plane manifest unless the client asked them to.

Were you born after 2001? Did you remember those planes that flew into the buildings? Private planes can do the same thing.

And the TSA wouldn’t do anything to stop that

Hell the TSA doesn’t do much to prevent that on commercial flights, but requiring private flights to start going through commercial security would be completely pointless

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Post by squidsoup »

foolfoolz wrote: post #40
mrtksn wrote: post #38

I wonder why Trump just doesn't sell this himself, like golden tickets that you can buy from ICE where they just push back the free-tier line enjoyers to insert the patriotic gold level travelers. In Turkey people with connections to the government get strobe lights permit to skip the traffic through the emergency line. There's so many opportunities both for monetization and loyalty rewarding. Due to lapses like that…

we already have this with TSA Pre

The TSA Pre lines are often as long as the standard lines.

Re: TSA lines are so out of control that travelers are hiring line-sitters

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Post by garciasn »

AlotOfReading wrote: post #55
hammock wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should private plane passengers be subject to TSA? TSA (paid for by you and me by the way, not for free) exists to protect the public from harm, on public flights by common carriers. It used to be contracted by airlines themselves. Unless you are the most extreme of pro-seatbelt law people, it would make little sense for TSA to screen anyone on a private plane manifest unless the client asked them to.

No, the TSA exists because 19 people hijacked 4 flights and succeeded in crashing 3 of them into various important buildings in the US on 9/11/2001. Private planes are just as capable of crashing into buildings as commercial jets. The TSA has picked up some ancillary public safety functions over the years, but their raison d'etre is to prevent hijackings.

No; the TSA exists because we needed a government jobs program that was easy to promote under the guise of terrorism.

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Post by joquarky »

kgermino wrote: post #103
AzN1337c0d3r wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Were you born after 2001? Did you remember those planes that flew into the buildings? Private planes can do the same thing.

And the TSA wouldn’t do anything to stop that Hell the TSA doesn’t do much to prevent that on commercial flights, but requiring private flights to start going through commercial security would be completely pointless

Inconveniencing wealthy people might create motivation to fix the problem.

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Post by Gud »

hammock wrote: post #41
PearlRiver wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The people arriving on private jets have always bypassed these bureaucratic procedures. Brotherhood and equality.

Why should private plane passengers be subject to TSA? TSA (paid for by you and me by the way, not for free) exists to protect the public from harm, on public flights by common carriers. It used to be contracted by airlines themselves. Unless you are the most extreme of pro-seatbelt law people, it would make little sense for TSA to screen anyone on a private plane manifest unless the client asked them to.

It seems to me that the people flying private jets are the biggest threats to humanity.

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Post by noman-land »

Simulacra wrote: post #94
tempodox wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The danger of Steve Jobs hijacking his own private plane was obviously quite high! We can only thank the dutiful TSA officers for their brave service. I’m sure they risked their lives averting this danger. Have they been awarded any medals yet?

https://techland.time.com/2010/09/14/steve-jobs-vows-to-neve... For reference

"Update: Apple called Techland saying that the story is “pure fiction.” According to the New York Post, Steve Jobs himself has told them the same."

Re: TSA lines are so out of control that travelers are hiring line-sitters

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Post by Gud »

hammock wrote: post #62
jdiff wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Commercial drones can't bring down buildings. And they're still subject to an awful lot of regulations.

So it’s complete building destruction that is the protective mission here? Not loss of life or general terrorism or something else? I’m glad we are clarifying I wasn’t aware that DJI drone with 60lb payload was subject to more regulations than a Citation leaving TEB but I guess I’m open to learning what those are.

Why are you spending so much effort helping the most privileged people on the planet? Makes no sense to be their white knight
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