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The bot situation on the internet is worse than you could imagine

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Re: The bot situation on the internet is worse than you could imagine

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After 2 minutes at 150 kHashes on mobile, I finally see the first pixel of the progress bar filling up. Seems like it will take hours or a day to finish. Some estimate would have been nice.

I don't get this kHash thing. Do we have captchas mining bitcoin in a distributed fashion for free now?

The page says

> Anubis uses a Proof-of-Work scheme in the vein of Hashcash

And if you look up Hashcash on Wikipedia you get https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashcash which explains how Hashcash works in a fairly straightforward manner (unlike most math pages).

Re: The bot situation on the internet is worse than you could imagine

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Is Anubus being set to difficulty 8 on this page supposed to be a joke? I gave up after about 20 seconds.

I think that must be the point they're trying to make, yes

It also drives home that Anubis needs a time estimate for sites that don't use Anubis as a "can you run javascript" wall but as an actual proof of work mechanism that it purports to be its main mechanism

It shows a difficulty of "8" with "794 kilohashes per second", but what does that mean? I understand the 8 must be exponential (not literally that 8 hashes are expected to find 1 solution on average), but even as a power of 2, 2^8=256 I happen to know by heart, so thousands of hashes per second would then find an answer in a fraction of a second. Or if it's 8 bytes instead of bits, then you expect to find a solution after like 8 million hashes, which at ~800k is about ten seconds. There is no way to figure out how long the expected wait is even if you understand all the text on the page (which most people wouldn't) and know some shortcuts to do the mental math (how many people know small powers of 2 by heart)

Re: The bot situation on the internet is worse than you could imagine

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This is why I see (well managed) government digital IDs as sensible moves. Apart from DDOS attacks, if bots have to “prove” who they are on each request it seems like a win-win. I may be missing something of course

You may be missing that it's easy and free for website owners to fix the problem. But it's hacker news after all. If somebody is bothered by a leaf falling on them on their walk to the corner store, the suggested solution here will be to have a full communist revolution.

It is absolutely not free or easy to stop bots.
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