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Nitrile and latex gloves may cause overestimation of microplastics

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Re: Nitrile and latex gloves may cause overestimation of microplastics

#101

I'm amazed that wasn't taken into account! Many years ago, in the final year of my Biology degree, I did a paid summer internship at an Evolutionary Biology lab here in Spain, assisting in a project where they were researching relationships between metal ion accumulation (mostly zinc) and certain SNPs (≈"gene varieties"). A lot of my work was in slicing tiny fragments of deep-frozen human livers and kidneys in a bios…

>> I'm amazed that wasn't taken into account! This was taken into account: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47563392

You found a paper saying that contamination is possible. That doesn’t mean that most of these plastic studies are doing the necessary controls, let alone the (almost impossible) task of preventing the contamination in a laboratory setting where nanomolar detection levels are used to make broad claims.

Re: Nitrile and latex gloves may cause overestimation of microplastics

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post #52

So basically the gloves that kitchen staff now must wear means we get an extra dose of micro plastics? Yikes.

Funnily, I believe the glove mandates for food prep are actually anti-hygiene.

Unlike bare skin, you can't really feel when your gloves are contaminated. So you are less likely to replace gloves when you should. With bare hands, you can feel the raw chicken juices on you, so it's pretty natural to want to wash your hands right after handling the raw chicken.

Gloves are important in medicine, but that's with proper use where doctors and nurses put on new gloves for every patient. That doesn't always happen.

Re: Nitrile and latex gloves may cause overestimation of microplastics

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post #52

So basically the gloves that kitchen staff now must wear means we get an extra dose of micro plastics? Yikes.

> So basically the gloves that kitchen staff now must wear [..]

Genuine question: we used to simply wash our hands well before preparing food.

At what point did the wearing of disposable gloves become "better"?

Re: Nitrile and latex gloves may cause overestimation of microplastics

#105
post #60

So you're saying microplastics aren't a problem, because there's too much microplastics in gloves??

If you the read article, you would see it explains that what they release are not microplastics. They are instead a soap used to get them to unstick from their mold in production.

Re: Nitrile and latex gloves may cause overestimation of microplastics

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post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is true that there is not currently conclusive proof that micro plastics are a significant risk to human health. However, this is the same line the tobacco industry used for decades even though they knew different.

And indeed there is not currently conclusive proof that WiFi is a significant risk to human health. However, this is the same line the tobacco industry used for decades even though they knew different.

Because it’s an inverted claim of falsification it works for literally anything (I cannot prove that X will absolutely not hurt you), but you get pilloried if you put something in the blank that the herd happens to support.

We’ve reached the absurd point where all sides of the political spectrum have sacred cows, and an exceedingly poor understanding of scientific reasoning, and all sides also try to dunk on the others by claiming scientific authority.

Re: Nitrile and latex gloves may cause overestimation of microplastics

#108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol, the COVID vaccines went through some of the largest randomized controlled trials ever conducted and had some of the best safety and efficacy results ever seen. You might have heard that it wasn't tested for reducing transmission, i.e. whether the vaccines make it less likely that an infected, vaccinated person would transmit the virus to someone else... Which it wasn't, because uhhh... how would you? They tested…

A man who represents himself as a lawyer has a fool for a client. A man who "does his own research" has a fool for a researcher.

But science is about doing your own research! The idea is that science results are based on evidence that is published in serious [1] peer review [2] journals.

At some time you realize you can't repeat all the test at home, because it would be full of mice and transgenic plants and a huge particle collider and ... Also, there are a lot of very hard topics. So you must trust the system, but not too much.

* Big pharma wants to sell drugs and get money.

* The FDA wants to cover they ass and get money.

* Journalist want to publish bleeding stories and get money.

[There is also an optimistic version where all of them want the best for humanity.]

All of them together are making a quite good job, and you can go to the pharmacy at the corner and be quite confident that you will get the cure for a lot of illness with a low risk. In some threads people ask for most tests, in some threads people ask for faster approval. It's a hard trade off, and I'm happy I don't have to make the decision [3].

In 2020 there was a lot of misinformation in both directions. From politicians to youtubers, form individual crackpots to professors in the university. In many cases you realize they may not even understand the difference between a virus and a bacteria, in other cases they say that the "control group" is an unrelated bunch of guys in another city.

Science is about doing your own research, but doing your own research is super hard. As a rule of thumb, if the FDA and the European equivalent agree, it's probably ok [4], but cross your fingers just in case.

[1] Whatever "serious" mean. It's a hard question.

[2] And real "peer review", not a comment section in a web page.

[3] Somewhat related https://www.fortressofdoors.com/four-magic-words/

[4] Do you trust the contractor+regulations that installed the elevator at your building? It's another trade off of as cheap as possible and enough regulations to avoid appearing in the front page of all newspapers everyday.

Re: Nitrile and latex gloves may cause overestimation of microplastics

#109
post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> I'm amazed that wasn't taken into account! This was taken into account: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47563392

You found a paper saying that contamination is possible. That doesn’t mean that most of these plastic studies are doing the necessary controls, let alone the (almost impossible) task of preventing the contamination in a laboratory setting where nanomolar detection levels are used to make broad claims.

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