There is no win . They are winning 50-0 and they just scored an own-goal; so what?!
Can't agree with you enough.
They're still moving the Overton window on making Android a walled garden. They're playing a longer game.
Android’s new sideload settings will carry over to new devices
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Re: Android’s new sideload settings will carry over to new devices
#32What's the phone OS landscape now? What can someone who values their agency and wants FOSS choose? * iOS - walled garden, so no * Android: * * with a Google account and Play Services - a bit less of a walled garden, but still no * * Android without Google: * * * GrapheneOS - root or adb not supported, so no * * * LineageOS - (edit: root or adb not supported, so no - just learned) seems like a viable option although i…
fairphone support for pmOS is improving. What DE were you using? It was probably just slow on the pinephone. librem 5 is also an option. It is sorta expensive and weak but is the most capable. https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices right now im on calyxos but development has been paused for like a year
It was a long time ago, so I don't remember. Phosh or Plasma. I tried to like Sxmo, but it was really unintuitive, unlike tiling WMs on Linux.
Fairphones seems OK, although for €549 I'll probably stick to a dumb phone and invest in a better laptop for now. I'm not saying it's too expensive for what it is, though - it's still a tiny computer with all kinds of periphery.
I just wish there was a version with a shitty camera for €50 less or with no Bluetooth for €10 less - you get the idea.
Interestingly, when I went to
https://www.fairphone.com/shop-home
the prices for the headphones were lower for a few seconds and got higher afterwards.
€186.75 -> €249
€74.25 -> €99
while the phone price remained the same. Both are increases of 33.(3)%. Probably a script that determined my location and added a VAT.
Re: Android’s new sideload settings will carry over to new devices
#33You still seem to need a Google account to be able to use the hardware you just paid for. I don't have one, don't want one either. I've been using Android without Google for about 15 years now but will hold off on getting a new device until I'm sure I can continue using it without getting a Google account.
Do you run a custom ROM? I can't imagine bothering with the hassle of running a vendor OS without signing into Play.
Aurora store make it pretty seamless. Used to run my Samsung without any account, no Google nor Samsung and things worked perfectly.
Re: Android’s new sideload settings will carry over to new devices
#34WTF win? Sounds like I will need a tracking google account because it can "carry over" when I "upgrade my phone" "Google giving a concession" is no win. WTF Concession? Why are we asking google for permission to use the devices we bought as they see fit? Ok, google is doing what is best for them, abusing users. But the manufacturers are really to blame here because the devices are by default locked to what google and…
Hopefully other vendors will adopt GrapheneOS like Motorola is prepared to.
Yeah, but then banks need to be pushed to support it. And while we're at it it would be good if people responsible for European eID also stopped recommending Google device attestation.
Re: Android’s new sideload settings will carry over to new devices
#35What's the phone OS landscape now? What can someone who values their agency and wants FOSS choose? * iOS - walled garden, so no * Android: * * with a Google account and Play Services - a bit less of a walled garden, but still no * * Android without Google: * * * GrapheneOS - root or adb not supported, so no * * * LineageOS - (edit: root or adb not supported, so no - just learned) seems like a viable option although i…
GrapheneOS - does allow you to root/ADB. It's just not official, just like LineageOS. You can even sign your own images and relock the bootloader and have root i f you put in the effort.
Re: Android’s new sideload settings will carry over to new devices
#36What's the phone OS landscape now? What can someone who values their agency and wants FOSS choose? * iOS - walled garden, so no * Android: * * with a Google account and Play Services - a bit less of a walled garden, but still no * * Android without Google: * * * GrapheneOS - root or adb not supported, so no * * * LineageOS - (edit: root or adb not supported, so no - just learned) seems like a viable option although i…
You can root GrapheneOS, they just don't recommend you doing so.
Re: Android’s new sideload settings will carry over to new devices
#37What's the phone OS landscape now? What can someone who values their agency and wants FOSS choose? * iOS - walled garden, so no * Android: * * with a Google account and Play Services - a bit less of a walled garden, but still no * * Android without Google: * * * GrapheneOS - root or adb not supported, so no * * * LineageOS - (edit: root or adb not supported, so no - just learned) seems like a viable option although i…
GrapheneOS - does allow you to root/ADB. It's just not official, just like LineageOS. You can even sign your own images and relock the bootloader and have root i f you put in the effort.
So I misunderstood about LineageOS - I haven't read anything about it for a while. Everyone on GrapheneOS's forum is really anti-root, they even mention it's not GrapheneOS anymore. From what I saw you can't get any support whatsoever if you have an issue with root or adb, which seems like a core component to any OS to me. Would've been nice if there was a community that gave each other support for rooted LOS or GOS. There could be one, though - I haven't researched it.
Re: Android’s new sideload settings will carry over to new devices
#38What's the phone OS landscape now? What can someone who values their agency and wants FOSS choose? * iOS - walled garden, so no * Android: * * with a Google account and Play Services - a bit less of a walled garden, but still no * * Android without Google: * * * GrapheneOS - root or adb not supported, so no * * * LineageOS - (edit: root or adb not supported, so no - just learned) seems like a viable option although i…
> GrapheneOS - root or adb not supported, so no
Like the other poster said, you can get root on GOS. However it's highly ill advised and severely breaks the security model of devices. 99% of the time nobody, especially the average person, needs root on their phone (imo). Allowing that easily just opens up the average person to getting duped into getting their phone rocked with exploits and possibly persistent malware.
There is no reason that a lack of root access should be viewed as a negative within the context of GrapheneOS. In that case why even mention or choose GOS? Just choose an Android fork with poor security or a Linux phone with zero security instead.
Re: Android’s new sideload settings will carry over to new devices
#39What's the phone OS landscape now? What can someone who values their agency and wants FOSS choose? * iOS - walled garden, so no * Android: * * with a Google account and Play Services - a bit less of a walled garden, but still no * * Android without Google: * * * GrapheneOS - root or adb not supported, so no * * * LineageOS - (edit: root or adb not supported, so no - just learned) seems like a viable option although i…
I think a problem is that phones, as a concept, are communication first, rather than general computing first.
If you want to partake in social networks, messaging, work communication, banking, etc you're at the mercy of the service's owner and their moat. You can't access Instagram in any other way than their app, and at that point an open OS doesn't help a lot.
I'm sure FOSS can make a feature equivalent Instagram (or Whatsapp, or whatever) but the people aren't in there.
Re: Android’s new sideload settings will carry over to new devices
#40What's the phone OS landscape now? What can someone who values their agency and wants FOSS choose? * iOS - walled garden, so no * Android: * * with a Google account and Play Services - a bit less of a walled garden, but still no * * Android without Google: * * * GrapheneOS - root or adb not supported, so no * * * LineageOS - (edit: root or adb not supported, so no - just learned) seems like a viable option although i…
You can root GrapheneOS, they just don't recommend you doing so.
In their forum they repeatedly say stuff like:
> If you choose to root, then I believe its not considered to be "GrapheneOS" any longer and assistance will not be provided for issues you face
Getting no support would suck. Obviously it's a FOSS OS, so it would be community support for the most part, but it's still invaluable when you run into issues.