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Android’s new sideload settings will carry over to new devices

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Re: Android’s new sideload settings will carry over to new devices

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Post by benoau »

hparadiz wrote: post #20
rockskon wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why the hell should we "mother may I" with Google for running apps on our own phones if it isn't sourced from the Play Store? The "security" rationale is horseshit given just how much malware is readily download able on the Play Store. Google never cleans its own house before going after others.

Don't you know? If one elderly person gets scammed we all deserve to be infantilized.

(nevermind that the scams are extraordinarily likely to come through Meta, Google, Apple, Amazon)

Re: Android’s new sideload settings will carry over to new devices

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Post by fluidcruft »

benoau wrote: post #21
hparadiz wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't you know? If one elderly person gets scammed we all deserve to be infantilized.

(nevermind that the scams are extraordinarily likely to come through Meta, Google, Apple, Amazon)

The scams are likely to some from outside Play. In the US, these scams don't run because iPhone is the dominant platform and side loading in iOS is not possible. In the rest of world they are widespread.

Re: Android’s new sideload settings will carry over to new devices

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Post by fluidcruft »

hagbard_c wrote: post #13

You still seem to need a Google account to be able to use the hardware you just paid for. I don't have one, don't want one either. I've been using Android without Google for about 15 years now but will hold off on getting a new device until I'm sure I can continue using it without getting a Google account.

Do you run a custom ROM? I can't imagine bothering with the hassle of running a vendor OS without signing into Play.

Re: Android’s new sideload settings will carry over to new devices

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Post by fluidcruft »

ddtaylor wrote: post #17
idle_zealot wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's not really a way to bypass Google if they don't want there to be, and that's what they're moving towards. The only long-term solution is to cut Google out entirely.

Motorola with GrapheneOS is an interesting prospect. The space is ready for disruption and the tools to do it are more available than ever. Maybe it will come from the EU. Who knows, but Google overplayed their hand, IMO. Also, let's be clear about the mobile landscape right now. Many apps aren't written in Java or Swift, but instead are being transpiled from other languages like TypeScript and using UI libraries tha…

Motorola with GrapheneOS has all the same failings of any other custom ROM.

Re: Android’s new sideload settings will carry over to new devices

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Post by AlBugdy »

What's the phone OS landscape now? What can someone who values their agency and wants FOSS choose?

* iOS - walled garden, so no

* Android:

* * with a Google account and Play Services - a bit less of a walled garden, but still no

* * Android without Google:

* * * GrapheneOS - root or adb not supported, so no

* * * LineageOS - (edit: root or adb not supported, so no - just learned) seems like a viable option although it seems like it depends on Google's development of Android and keeping it FOSS. How's the situation with security updates? Which phones would you recommend? I don't count Samsung or whatever crap as they're generally quite user-hostile.

* Linux - IIRC only PMOS supported FDE. Is that still the case? Are there are good Linux phones? I tried PinePhone a few years ago, but it was crappy. The OS also lacked basic features like new windows showing up inside the screen.

* anything else?

Re: Android’s new sideload settings will carry over to new devices

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Post by benoau »

fluidcruft wrote: post #22
benoau wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(nevermind that the scams are extraordinarily likely to come through Meta, Google, Apple, Amazon)

The scams are likely to some from outside Play. In the US, these scams don't run because iPhone is the dominant platform and side loading in iOS is not possible. In the rest of world they are widespread.

Outside Play, on YouTube or via Google Ads for many of them. Likewise for Meta ads.

Re: Android’s new sideload settings will carry over to new devices

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Post by Hasslequest »

AlBugdy wrote: post #25

What's the phone OS landscape now? What can someone who values their agency and wants FOSS choose? * iOS - walled garden, so no * Android: * * with a Google account and Play Services - a bit less of a walled garden, but still no * * Android without Google: * * * GrapheneOS - root or adb not supported, so no * * * LineageOS - (edit: root or adb not supported, so no - just learned) seems like a viable option although i…

fairphone support for pmOS is improving. What DE were you using? It was probably just slow on the pinephone.

librem 5 is also an option. It is sorta expensive and weak but is the most capable.

https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices

right now im on calyxos but development has been paused for like a year

Re: Android’s new sideload settings will carry over to new devices

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Post by RedComet »

hparadiz wrote: post #20
rockskon wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why the hell should we "mother may I" with Google for running apps on our own phones if it isn't sourced from the Play Store? The "security" rationale is horseshit given just how much malware is readily download able on the Play Store. Google never cleans its own house before going after others.

Don't you know? If one elderly person gets scammed we all deserve to be infantilized.

Wouldn't it be something if, given all the surveillance already in place, law enforcement punished the scammers instead of the innocent?
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