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AI overly affirms users asking for personal advice

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Re: AI overly affirms users asking for personal advice

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A pastime I have with papers like this is to look for the part in the paper where they say which models they tested. Very often, you find either A) it's a model from one or more years ago, only just being published now, or B) they don't even say which model they are using. Best I could find in this paper: > We evaluated 11 user-facing production LLMs: four proprietary models from OpenAI, Anthropic, and Google; and se…

I think it’s very important to be clear what studies like this are actually doing.

This study, although it has been produced by a computer science department, belongs more to the field of sociology or media studies than it does to computer science.

This is a study about the way in which human beings consume a particular media product - a consumer AI chatbot - not a study about the technological limitations or capabilities of LLMs.

The social impact of particular pieces of software is a legitimate field of study and I can see the argument that it belongs in the broadly defined field of computer science. But this sort of question is much more similar to ‘how does the adoption of spreadsheet software in finance impact the ease of committing fraud’ or ‘how does the use of presentation software to condense ideas down to bulletpoints impact organizational decision making’. Software has a social dimension and it needs to be examined.

But the question of which models were used is of much less relevance to such a study than that they used ‘whatever capability is currently offered to consumers who commonly use chat software’. Just like in a media studies investigation into how viewing cop dramas impacts jury verdicts the question is less ‘which cop dramas did they pick to study?’ So long as the ones they picked were representative of what typical viewers see.

Re: AI overly affirms users asking for personal advice

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post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it is a toxic sub, where the notion that there can be greater happiness on the other side of forgiveness than cutting ties is all but absent.

To be fair, it’s easier to concisely explain cutting someone off than justifying forgiveness. And the latter will land with some people versus others, while the former will only be rejected by people who have themselves concluded a theory of forgiveness. As a result, the simpler pitch gets upvoted. Even if the majority would have been swayed by a collection of arguments the other way.

It’s a good theory. My theory is, for whatever reason, jaded, narcissistic, miserable people congregate in r/AITA and try to drag other people into their misery because that’s easier than accepting responsibility and doing something to change.

Re: AI overly affirms users asking for personal advice

#355

I asked ChatGPT if it was a good idea to buy a very old VW diesel van with a broken catalytic converter and it just kept blabbering on how I should chase my dreams and what not... The sycophancy comes at everyone else's expense.

I mean, depending on the price, that might actually be a good idea? If they're restored, those old VW vans command a high price.

Re: AI overly affirms users asking for personal advice

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Anecdote: I used to use LLMs for alternate perspectives on personal situations, and for insights on my emotions and thoughts. I had no qualms, since I could easily disregard the obviously sycophantic output, and focus on the useful perspective. This stopped one day, till I got a really eerie piece of output. I realized I couldn’t tell if the output was actually self affirming, or simply what I wanted to hear. That mo…

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Re: AI overly affirms users asking for personal advice

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> They also included 2,000 prompts based on posts from the Reddit community r/AmITheAsshole, where the consensus of Redditors was that the poster was indeed in the wrong. Sorry, anonymous people on reddit aren't a good comparison. This needs to be studied against people in real life who have a social contract of some sort, because that's what the LLM is imitating, and that's who most people would go to otherwise. Obv…

> Sorry, anonymous people on reddit aren't a good comparison. Yeah especially on r/AmITheAsshole. Those comments never advocate for communication, forgiveness and mending things with family.

Well, because that's never the correct choice. There's a big big filter on people actually posting there. Any easy problems with obvious solutions never make it to there.

Think about it, how fucked does your relationship have to be to post on Reddit for advice?

Re: AI overly affirms users asking for personal advice

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> I don't understand why the models being a year or two old now is worth noting as though it's a clear weakness? I do think it's a clear weakness. Capabilities are extremely different than they were twelve months ago. > What should they do, publish sub-standard results more quickly? Ideally, publish quality results more quickly. I'm quite open to competing viewpoints here, but it's my impression that academic publish…

The onus is on you to prove or at least convincingly argue that the results are unlikely to generalize across incremental model releases. In my personal experience, the overly affirming nature seems to have held since GPT-3. What makes you think a newer, larger model would not exhibit this behavior? Beyond "they're more capable"? I'd argue that being more capable doesn't mean less sycophantic. It's certainly possible…

I think you are absolutely right. (had to)

Re: AI overly affirms users asking for personal advice

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many other humans are .... Not very available - certainly many shut down when conversations reach a certain level of depth or require great focus or introspection..

Depth? Introspection? I'd say these days the norm is to not simply shut down, but to become irrevocably and insidiously hostile, the moment someone hints at the existence of such a thing as "ground truth", "subjective interpretation", "being right or wrong" - or any of the bits and bobs that might lead one to discover the proper scary notion, "consensus reality". "What do you mean social reality is a constructed by t…

You had me on the first three paragraphs, but the last two veer so far off course that I've no idea what you're trying to say. Mind clarifying?

Re: AI overly affirms users asking for personal advice

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sorry, anonymous people on reddit aren't a good comparison. Yeah especially on r/AmITheAsshole. Those comments never advocate for communication, forgiveness and mending things with family.

Well, because that's never the correct choice. There's a big big filter on people actually posting there. Any easy problems with obvious solutions never make it to there. Think about it, how fucked does your relationship have to be to post on Reddit for advice?

This wrongly assumes people are good at judging what easy problems are.

Not to mention nowadays an untold amount of posts to subreddits that invite commentary are made up stories from accounts trying to get engagement.

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