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Ask HN: New links queue almost at 24 hours, what now?

#1
Do you think the new links queue is filling up too fast?

It's almost at the point where #300 (the last one) is less than 24 hours old. S/N ratio is starting to drop and I'm finding many 2-3 point things buried away that are gems.

That is not to say that the rankings should be perfectly suited to my tastes, but that as the new queue gets bigger and more unmanageable it becomes less scrutinized by voters (since time is a finite resource).

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#3
post #2

My only thought is to think about limiting submission rights to a certain/higher karma threshold.

I think that would help reduce the volume and increase S/N. To address the hidden-jems problem, another idea would be to randomly serve up the second page (Page 2 of the front page), giving the hidden-gems a better chance to make it to the first page.

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#4
This is becoming more of a problem now. It is impossible for new stories to get as much attention now as when the site first started, but historically there really haven't been many good stories missed.

This Ted talk failed to really make the front page twice. It must have briefly been on the front page but it takes so much more weight now to actually hold that position. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=474875 and http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=473821 I would encourage you to look for more examples of good stories that have not made the front page; this is the evidence that pg has said is needed to show that there is actually a problem here.

Time limiting submissions may help a little, though I haven't noticed people mass submitting middling articles. What we need is some time of cultural incentive to read the new page, and pages 2/3/4 of the new page.

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#5
post #2

My only thought is to think about limiting submission rights to a certain/higher karma threshold.

Please make it rate limiting that is relaxed as karma increases. Let someone with zero karma submit a story per 2 days or something, not never.

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#6
post #4

This is becoming more of a problem now. It is impossible for new stories to get as much attention now as when the site first started, but historically there really haven't been many good stories missed. This Ted talk failed to really make the front page twice. It must have briefly been on the front page but it takes so much more weight now to actually hold that position. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=474875 and…

> What we need is some time of cultural incentive to read the new page, and pages 2/3/4 of the new page.

Definitely. I'll admit that I never spend the time to go through the queue, let alone a few pages deep. How does one encourage this behavior? I don't care much about karma, but I guess if others do perhaps you could give extra karma for being one of the early upvoters?

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#7
post #2

My only thought is to think about limiting submission rights to a certain/higher karma threshold.

It would certainly cut down on a lot of garbage. Most of the posts I flag (mostly spam links) are from users who have only been registered for a few minutes.

On the other hand, you could have long-time lurkers with no karma that are unable to submit and that could be a problem. You couldn't base it on length of time registered instead of karma either because then spammers would register accounts and sit on them before submitting garbage.

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#8
post #2

My only thought is to think about limiting submission rights to a certain/higher karma threshold.

Karma >= 2 would probably be sufficient.

It rules out people who have not interacted with the community at all, without turning HN into some exclusive "members only" club.

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#9
Better moderation of the blog spammers may help as well. For instance:

http://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=ccraigIW has 11 submissions in the past 24 hours, none with a score > 2. That's a third of the "new" page filled up with blog posts from one source.

Karma threshold, average submission score or signal-to-noise ratio may be a good way to rate limit submissions.

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#10
If I may briefly interject, one really nice resource for this is the greasemonkey hacker news toolkit script

http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/25039

It can add the 5 newest submissions to the bottom of the front page. This is not a perfect solution, I agree it is a band aid to the larger issue of reducing junk submissions. However, it makes it easier for me to come to the front page and I definitely vote up more from the new page than I used to now (though I always made a conscious effort to go to the new page and vote there as well, to try and get articles I enjoyed onto the front page)

I did not write the script, but I do like it =)

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