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AMD's Ryzen 9 9950X3D2 Dual Edition crams 208MB of cache into a single chip

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I am glad I decisively ordered 96GB (2x48) DDR5 ECC back in June, alongside the 9800x3d. I hope this is still enough for the planned upgrade to Zen7 in 2028.

I'm looking at building a new system, and was waiting to see what happens with this chip and Intel's Arc Pro B70 card. I can't find ECC UDIMMs of 64GB per-stick to make 128GB, but I can put together two solo UDIMMs of 32GB or 48GB for $800 and $1000 per stick respectively. I really want to see what enabling the L3 cache options in the BIOS do from a NUMA standpoint. I have some projects I want to work on where being…

I was surprised to find that ECC modules available were 24 or 48, so 128GB with 2 sticks was impossible.

While I was aiming at 128, I settled for 96GB, because any more than 2 sticks means a sharp drop in RAM clocks this generation.

Re: AMD's Ryzen 9 9950X3D2 Dual Edition crams 208MB of cache into a single chip

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I am glad I decisively ordered 96GB (2x48) DDR5 ECC back in June, alongside the 9800x3d. I hope this is still enough for the planned upgrade to Zen7 in 2028.

You're basically me. I was mulling 48 vs 96, decided 200$ wasn't worth quibbling too much over and bought 96GB in August. Feeling pretty chuffed now XD (though still sad because building a new PC is dumb when RAM costs more than a 24 core monster CPU)

This is the good side.

The not so good side is that getting a RVA23 development board this year with an usable size of RAM (for e.g. compiling and linking large code bases) is not going to be cheap.

Re: AMD's Ryzen 9 9950X3D2 Dual Edition crams 208MB of cache into a single chip

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The extra cache doesn't do a damn thing (maybe +2%) The lower leakage currents at lower voltages allowed them to implement a far more aggressive clock curve from the factory. That's where the higher allcore clock comes from (+30W TDP) I'm not complaining at all, I think this is an excellent way to leverage binning to sell leftover cache. Though if I may complain, Ars used to actually write about such things in their…

> The extra cache doesn't do a damn thing (maybe +2%) It depends on the task. For some memory-bound tasks the extra cache is very helpful. For CFD and other simulation workloads the benefits are huge. For other tasks it doesn't help at all. If someone wants a simple gaming CPU or general purpose CPU they don't need to spend the money for this. They don't need the 16-core CPU at all. The 9850X3D is a better buy for mo…

Sorry, what is "CFD" in this context?

Re: AMD's Ryzen 9 9950X3D2 Dual Edition crams 208MB of cache into a single chip

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> The extra cache doesn't do a damn thing (maybe +2%) It depends on the task. For some memory-bound tasks the extra cache is very helpful. For CFD and other simulation workloads the benefits are huge. For other tasks it doesn't help at all. If someone wants a simple gaming CPU or general purpose CPU they don't need to spend the money for this. They don't need the 16-core CPU at all. The 9850X3D is a better buy for mo…

Sorry, what is "CFD" in this context?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computational_fluid_dynamics

Re: AMD's Ryzen 9 9950X3D2 Dual Edition crams 208MB of cache into a single chip

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I bought 192GB (4x 48GB) of DDR5-6400 for 299 euro in September but returned it because I couldn't get 4 DIMMS to run at decent speeds in the system. 6 or so weeks after I returned it the kit was listed at 1499.

Yeah the only way to run 4 sticks of DDR5 decently is with Intel. It's a bit of a shame that you can't cram enough RAM to run big models. The most I could get running on 10GB VRAM + 96GB RAM was a REAP'd + quantized version of MiniMax-M2.5

Got it running with 4800MT/s and literally 30 minute boot times in an AM5 machine. The 30 minute boot time could be worked around by enabling the (off-by-default) memory context restore option in BIOS, but it really made me think something was broken and it wasn't until I found other people talking about 30 minute boot times that I stopped debugging and just let it sit for an eternity.

It's so bad. I don't get why they sell AM5 motherboards with 4 RAM slots.

At least that system has been running well for like two years. But had I known that the situation is so much more dire than with DDR4, I would've just gotten the same amount of RAM in two sticks rather than four.

Re: AMD's Ryzen 9 9950X3D2 Dual Edition crams 208MB of cache into a single chip

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Back in 2004 my PC RAM was 256. My relative's laptop had 128. That's crazy when a modern CPU cache can theoretically host an OS (or even multiple OSes) from early 2000s.

The RAM prices are so high and the storage is also getting more expensive every day, so we're forced to fit everything inside the CPU cache as a solution! /s

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Yeah the only way to run 4 sticks of DDR5 decently is with Intel. It's a bit of a shame that you can't cram enough RAM to run big models. The most I could get running on 10GB VRAM + 96GB RAM was a REAP'd + quantized version of MiniMax-M2.5

I’m running 128gb on a 9550x now with 4x32gb sticks and it’s terrible. It’s unstsable, post time is about 2 minutes (not exaggerating)and I’m stuck at a lower speed. I’m considering just taking 2 of the sticks out and working with 64gb and increasing my swap partition. The nvme drive is fast at least. This is my first time off intel and I have to say I don’t understand the hype.

> It’s unstsable, post time is about 2 minutes (not exaggerating)

The long POST times must mean it's retraining the memory each time, which is not normal. Just in case you haven'ttried it yet, I'd start by reseating them, I've had weird issues with marginally seated RAM before.

Also you definitely have to go much slower with 4 sticks compared to two, so lower speed as much as you can. If that doesn't help, I'd verify them in pairs.

If they work in pairs but not in quad at the slowest speed, something is surely wrong.

Once you get them working in quad, you can start bumping up the speed, might need voltage boost as well.

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$2800 is still a huge price in comparison with the last year. Last summer, a 9950X3D + motherboard + cooler + 128 GB DRAM + VAT sales taxes was the equivalent of $1400 in Europe, where I live. That's half of your quoted price. That was without case and PSU, but adding e.g. $200 for those would not change much.

In January I upgraded my desktop, 9950X3D £600, 64GB DDR5-6000 £600, MSI MAG Tomahawk X870E £300, Samsung 990 Pro 4TB £350, Asus Prime 9070XT £580. I spent a another £250 on PSU and cooler and reused my case (Phanteks Evolv Enthoo TG, beautiful case but horrible cooling. Will cut some holes in it and if it doesnt work out look for something with more airflow). The RAM price was already inflated at that time, and the…

Very similar config, but I bought a second pair of ram. Running 4 sticks at 3600. Also, the LAN port of the motherboard stopped working after a week, so I had to buy an Ethernet card

Re: AMD's Ryzen 9 9950X3D2 Dual Edition crams 208MB of cache into a single chip

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Back in 2004 my PC RAM was 256. My relative's laptop had 128. That's crazy when a modern CPU cache can theoretically host an OS (or even multiple OSes) from early 2000s.

The RAM prices are so high and the storage is also getting more expensive every day, so we're forced to fit everything inside the CPU cache as a solution! /s

It would be interesting if it allowed to use the cache as ram and could boot without any sticks on the motherboard.
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