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No one is happy with NASA's new idea for private space stations

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Re: No one is happy with NASA's new idea for private space stations

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Post by maxerickson »

Havoc wrote: post #10
mikkupikku wrote: post #2

Nobody can even come up with a coherent reason for any of these proposals to exist. Even the ISS is more of a political instrument than a real science thing. NASA likes to say its about studying how to help humans live in space, but those results were in decades ago: more than a few months in zero-g wrecks people. So why are we still trying to build old modular Salyut/Mir derivatives instead of trying to figure out t…

At risk of crassness - human lives are pretty cheap and there are plenty of people willing to take the hit for a chance to be in space for an extended timeframe. Meanwhile building something with enough spin and shielding is a huge ask

If manned stations aren't doing any particularly unique research, especially research that couldn't be done with automation, why spend huge resources on them?

Re: No one is happy with NASA's new idea for private space stations

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Post by patmorgan23 »

Muromec wrote: post #8
ceejayoz wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

International law says you spank whoever launched it. There’s treaties on this. Barring that, we have anti-satellite missiles.

What law?

The Treaty on Principles Governing the Activities of States in the Exploration and Use of Outer Space, including the Moon and Other Celestial Bodies.

https://www.unoosa.org/oosa/en/ourwork/spacelaw/treaties/int...

Re: No one is happy with NASA's new idea for private space stations

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Post by __patchbit__ »

maxerickson wrote: post #11
Havoc wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At risk of crassness - human lives are pretty cheap and there are plenty of people willing to take the hit for a chance to be in space for an extended timeframe. Meanwhile building something with enough spin and shielding is a huge ask

If manned stations aren't doing any particularly unique research, especially research that couldn't be done with automation, why spend huge resources on them?

Horses for courses micromanagement business administration and lobbying gravy train.

Re: No one is happy with NASA's new idea for private space stations

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Post by idiotsecant »

mikkupikku wrote: post #2

Nobody can even come up with a coherent reason for any of these proposals to exist. Even the ISS is more of a political instrument than a real science thing. NASA likes to say its about studying how to help humans live in space, but those results were in decades ago: more than a few months in zero-g wrecks people. So why are we still trying to build old modular Salyut/Mir derivatives instead of trying to figure out t…

Nobody cares about ground control. They care about aerospace industry in their states. Public space programs aren't about science and engineering, no they are primarily about jobs. We burn enormous capital in strange ways in order to divert a small amount of capital into useful places. Its the only way to get it done, so I can live with it.

Re: No one is happy with NASA's new idea for private space stations

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Post by aaron695 »

mikkupikku wrote: post #2

Nobody can even come up with a coherent reason for any of these proposals to exist. Even the ISS is more of a political instrument than a real science thing. NASA likes to say its about studying how to help humans live in space, but those results were in decades ago: more than a few months in zero-g wrecks people. So why are we still trying to build old modular Salyut/Mir derivatives instead of trying to figure out t…

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Re: No one is happy with NASA's new idea for private space stations

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Post by readthenotes1 »

Muromec wrote: post #7
metalman wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right! And because China has a good chance of pulling of a moon and then mars landing first, they are lurching into, hmmmm,ok,they are lurching flat out trying to bluster up a program without disturbing the space grift industry, ie: SLS , Shuttle Leftover Systems and the whole thing disolves into cringe

Disbanding NASA would be one of those symbolic things thay people will associate the dusk of American empire.

Nah. It will probably be either the Space Shuttle or Artemis. That is to say, programs that showed NASA lost control of its mission to graft

Re: No one is happy with NASA's new idea for private space stations

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Post by mikkupikku »

idiotsecant wrote: post #14
mikkupikku wrote: post #2

Nobody can even come up with a coherent reason for any of these proposals to exist. Even the ISS is more of a political instrument than a real science thing. NASA likes to say its about studying how to help humans live in space, but those results were in decades ago: more than a few months in zero-g wrecks people. So why are we still trying to build old modular Salyut/Mir derivatives instead of trying to figure out t…

Nobody cares about ground control. They care about aerospace industry in their states. Public space programs aren't about science and engineering, no they are primarily about jobs. We burn enormous capital in strange ways in order to divert a small amount of capital into useful places. Its the only way to get it done, so I can live with it.

Senators care about ground control. Jobs is the whole reason any of them agree to fund NASA at all.
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