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If you don't opt out by Apr 24 GitHub will train on your private repos

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Re: If you don't opt out by Apr 24 GitHub will train on your private repos

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Post by tadfisher »

munk-a wrote: post #80
martinwoodward wrote: post #43

No we won’t. Details here https://github.blog/news-insights/company-news/updates-to-gi... For users of Free, Pro and Pro+ Copilot, if you don’t opt out then we will start collecting usage data of Copilot for use in model training. If you are a subscriber for Business or Pro we do not train on usage. The blog post covers more details but we do not train on private repo data at rest, just interaction data with Copilot.…

The initial title and your reply are both too broad to be fully accurate. By April 24th Github will train on private repos (assuming a flag isn't set) but this change is limited to just non-Business/Pro users. So a number of private repos will be effected but it won't automatically affect all private repos (so my panic check on our corporate account wasn't necessary yet ). I am not certain if you're a spokesperson fo…

> By April 24th Github will train on private repos

This statement itself is misleading. Also, GitHub probably should have seen this coming.

They are not doing what I initially thought, which is slurping up your private repo, wholesale, into its training set. You don't have to opt out of anything to prevent that.

They are slurping any context and input containing code from your private repo which is provided to them as part of using Copilot.

So, in addition to the opt-out setting, there is an even easier way to avoid providing them your private repository data to train AI models, and that's by continuing to not use Copilot.

Re: If you don't opt out by Apr 24 GitHub will train on your private repos

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Post by prmoustache »

While I understand the network effect of github for public project, I don't really understand why one would want to use it for private repos.

There are tons of git providers including free ones that include full gitlab/gitea/forgejo to get similar features to github and there is nothing more easy to self host or host on a vps with near zero maintenance.

Re: If you don't opt out by Apr 24 GitHub will train on your private repos

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Post by dwringer »

chistev wrote: post #109
miohtama wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft would never do this (-:

I don't like when people make sarcastic remarks and sign off in a way that indicates it was sarcasm. It kills it for me. Lol. Like using that /s or using that smiling emoji sign you used. A good joke would land even if some other people miss it because of the text format. "Microsoft would never do this" would have landed for me.

I believe Poe's law makes it basically inescapable and HN is no exception to it

Re: If you don't opt out by Apr 24 GitHub will train on your private repos

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Post by hugodan »

kepano wrote: post #12

I've been saying this since 2023 > If your data is stored in a database that a company can freely read and access (i.e. not end-to-end encrypted), the company will eventually update their ToS so they can use your data for AI training — the incentives are too strong to resist https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37124188

and it is not end-to-end encrypted if you don't own the keys, avoid bullshit

Re: If you don't opt out by Apr 24 GitHub will train on your private repos

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Post by cinntaile »

chistev wrote: post #121
moralestapia wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for your service. We really need more "canaries in the mine" giving out early warnings of things that might not be evident on a first glance. Any takes on what 2029 will look like? (related to this topic, ofc)

Now this is sarcasm. Lol

It seems like you do need the smileys or the /s to understand when something is and isn't sarcasm.

Re: If you don't opt out by Apr 24 GitHub will train on your private repos

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Post by saghm »

martinwoodward wrote: post #43

No we won’t. Details here https://github.blog/news-insights/company-news/updates-to-gi... For users of Free, Pro and Pro+ Copilot, if you don’t opt out then we will start collecting usage data of Copilot for use in model training. If you are a subscriber for Business or Pro we do not train on usage. The blog post covers more details but we do not train on private repo data at rest, just interaction data with Copilot.…

Yes, you will. This is what the setting says on my account when I clicked the link:

> model training

> Allow GitHub to collect and use my Inputs, Outputs, and associated context to train and improve AI models. Read more in the Privacy Statement

Are you seriously trying to claim that the code isn't input, output, or associated context of Copilot operating on a private repo? What term do you think better applies to the code that's being read as input, used as context, and potentially produced as output?

Re: If you don't opt out by Apr 24 GitHub will train on your private repos

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Post by metaphor »

moralestapia wrote: post #92
kepano wrote: post #12

I've been saying this since 2023 > If your data is stored in a database that a company can freely read and access (i.e. not end-to-end encrypted), the company will eventually update their ToS so they can use your data for AI training — the incentives are too strong to resist https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37124188

Thank you for your service. We really need more "canaries in the mine" giving out early warnings of things that might not be evident on a first glance. Any takes on what 2029 will look like? (related to this topic, ofc)

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