To Github's credit, they have been showing a banner consistently. To my discredit - I never bothered to read that banner until I saw this HN headline
I've never seen the banner. Where does this show up?
If you don't opt out by Apr 24 GitHub will train on your private repos
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Re: If you don't opt out by Apr 24 GitHub will train on your private repos
#82Not your storage, not your data (unless it's encrypted with keys you control).
Re: If you don't opt out by Apr 24 GitHub will train on your private repos
#83[flagged]
It wasn’t previously opt-in. Previously we didn’t do any training on usage. However as other products have come into the market they do train on usage. We’ve been training on our internal usage for just over a year and have seen some major improvements. For details see of the types of improvements we’ve seen from training on our internal usage check out this article: https://github.blog/news-insights/product-news/cop…
You can always ask your parent company to train on their usage. I hear they have incredibly massive codebases: Windows, Office, MSSQL, which stay out of training data for some reason.
I thought neural nets never repeat the training data verbatim, and copyright does not pass through them, so what's the problem?
Re: If you don't opt out by Apr 24 GitHub will train on your private repos
#84The only setting I'm seeing is on a per-user basis. Does anyone know how to blanket disable training on an organizational basis?
Is there any information about how much information from an organization managed repo may be trained on if an individual user has this flag enabled? Will one leaky account cause all of our source code to be considered fair game?
Re: If you don't opt out by Apr 24 GitHub will train on your private repos
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
Even the way modern software phrases questions is rapey. Imagine a man asking a woman “want to have sex? Or maybe later?” out of the blue, then asking her again every 3 days until she says “yes”
The situation you describe has dynamics that don't apply when your windows laptop is trying to get you to install an update. A woman can't have 100% confidence that saying no won't trigger a man into rage, so just the question being asked at all is already a bit unpleasant. WinRAR trying to get me to buy a license is not as offensive because I know it won't beat me up for saying no.
Of course. Claiming this is a 1:1 would be wrong.
However, do you think people accept Microsoft backup because they want a backup?
Or do you think they click yes because it makes the popup go away for good?
Wearing me down until I say yes isn’t the same as just yes.
It’s the same dark pattern for the 10-11 upgrade. My father in law managed to upgrade by accident because it kept popping up. He didn’t really make an informed choice for himself. One day he just couldn’t figure out why everything was different.
Re: If you don't opt out by Apr 24 GitHub will train on your private repos
#86Is this the case even if you're a paid customer?
If so, this might be illegal.
Re: If you don't opt out by Apr 24 GitHub will train on your private repos
#87If you opt out Github will probably still train on your private repo. Just migrate.
Re: If you don't opt out by Apr 24 GitHub will train on your private repos
#88I'm looking forward to the class action lawsuit, even if only to establish a precedent! I don't have much hope, but I wish that ignoring software licensing and attribution at scale becomes harder than it currently seems.
They would've done the math. Even with a class action they will come up positive. It just another bill for them.
Re: If you don't opt out by Apr 24 GitHub will train on your private repos
#89Good luck to them, my private repos are probably some of the worst code humanity has produced.
Re: If you don't opt out by Apr 24 GitHub will train on your private repos
#90I've been saying this since 2023 > If your data is stored in a database that a company can freely read and access (i.e. not end-to-end encrypted), the company will eventually update their ToS so they can use your data for AI training — the incentives are too strong to resist https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37124188
Edit: Okay, sounds like you guys are pissed to the point where it seems like the pro tip here is to stop using GitHub. Pro tip: sign up for the business/enterprise version when reasonable in price. I do this with Google Workspace. You can also do it with GitHub. (Google doesn’t train on Workspace, Github doesn’t train on business customers, etc)
Github's enterprise version "starts at" $21.99/seat, and requires you to "contact sales".
And I don't see any mention that that exempts you from being trained on. (Yes, the blog says you're still covered, but at that price I'd like to see a contract saying that)