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People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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Re: People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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Too little, too late. I switched to Linux and I'm never looking back. Good riddance, Microsoft.

The only two moats MS has for desktop OS usage are: 1) Kernel-level DRM for multiplayer games (looking at you, Marathon) 2) Intentionally nerfed MSO 365 apps on web and macOS You could make a strong case that MDM (which InTune uses as well) negates the AD + GPO advantages of the past 20+ years in enterprise.

There's also a bunch of software that only runs or runs best on Windows.

Re: People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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This might be obvious, but all of those things have a single common denominator: Microsoft, over you, getting to decide what your computer is doing. This is the biggest generalized danger in computing today: That OS (and device) manufacturers have gotten it in their heads that it's OK for them to have a strong say in what your computer runs. User doesn't want X, Y, or Z running on his computer? TOUGH. We are going to…

It's more: you want to go to location A? Sure, but we're going to make a quick stop at locations B, C and D first, and the only available car is a known-to-be-dangerous self-driving robotaxi with no steering wheel or pedals.

... which in the middle of the route decides to instead drive onto a container ship and bring you to a robotic island?

ah no wait, that's the announced next update.

Re: People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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This "make Windows better" push is far more political than technological. It's a fight with other divisions about using Windows as a marketing and sales channel for other products and services. It has to be a decision from the very top. I hope they realize that Windows is in significant danger, the majority market share for Desktop OS is not guaranteed anymore. It's not just 10% of revenue, it's a foundation for how…

As someone with a sizeable background in Linux system engineering.. I prefer Windows to MacOS. It's IMHO a better desktop now with the edge snap tile layout and etc. Excellent device compatibility. And I get my linux environment needs satisfied via WSL2 these days. But damn if they don't get in their own way. I have my own Pro licenses, and even with Pro turning off ads and features is text book whack-a-mole: * Frequ…

Ditto. I've found it pretty tolerable once I've used "ShutUp10!" to disable the annoying stuff. I've used harder tools than it, but I've then found it breaks useful stuff (like the Xbox Gaming stuff, which some MSFT games use).

Re: People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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With it, can you use your laptop offline?

yes, as long as you signed in once while online. windows caches the creds locally and afaik they do not expire

What happens if you disable the account online, then, or change its password? I haven't worked through this before and I'm curious about it.

Re: People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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why must I use a low-security PIN in place of your pre-existing password? FAFAIK, all characters that are allowed in a user password are also allowed in device PIN codes. Knowing Microsoft, I'm sure there's domain policies to alter/restrict this. And the idea behind it is sound: that PIN is tied only to a single device, meaning that even if someone watches you enter your device passcode (or uses a keylogger), they ca…

Because nobody would use the same pin for different devices. This is a farcical argument.

Those are some strong words and nothing to back them up. Please, feel free to explain to us in your own words what threat model this device PIN is defending against and how it fails at that.

Re: People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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As someone with a sizeable background in Linux system engineering.. I prefer Windows to MacOS. It's IMHO a better desktop now with the edge snap tile layout and etc. Excellent device compatibility. And I get my linux environment needs satisfied via WSL2 these days. But damn if they don't get in their own way. I have my own Pro licenses, and even with Pro turning off ads and features is text book whack-a-mole: * Frequ…

Use LTSC. It'll fix all the issues you are mentioning here.

AFAIK Office isn't supported on LTSC fka. LTSB.

Installed LTSB for a conservative superior. He just wanted to work, without changes. I supported that happily. Until we had to start using Office 365.

Or did they revert that restriction?

Re: People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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It’s not just about perception. Apple doesn’t load your computer up with crapware and ads from the five different companies in the supply chain. They got away with it forever because at $600 there was no competition. I would say it’s more that Microsoft will make your $600 feel cheap, Apple will make it feel respectable.

> Apple doesn’t load your computer up with crapware and ads from the five different companies in the supply chain. No apple prefers to have a monopoly on ads and crapware but they're still there. The internet is filled with annoyed apple customers who want to debloat their systems: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/254337272 https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/414682/how-can-i-r... https://tech.yahoo.com/ai/…

You didn't read any of those, did you. They're asking about things like, literally: How can I delete the Chess app? How do I disable Spotlight? How do I remove Siri?

Those are not in any way comparable to ads or Candy Crush in the start menu.

Re: People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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Large parts of one german state switched to open source. First they laughed at them and now they are envious. The switch to Linux is happening this year. Until the end of the year they want all workers on Linux instead of Windows. It is possible, and fast if you want it.

> Large parts of one german state switched to open source. Haven't they been doing this every 5 - 8 years since 2004?

there's a lot of parts of Germany. the original versions were town at a time. now it's whole regions.

Re: People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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> gradually and then suddenly. governments, institutions, and large enterprises (like, thousands of people) do not have the power to do anything "suddenly". they have contracts, and cash flow concerns. you cannot suddenly replaces tens to hundreds of thousands of machines. 20-50 years down the road? maybe! they (microsoft) surely arent doing themselves many favors. but they are certainly not in "significant danger" t…

And how many times this year have you seen a headline with some European country's government starting to migrate away from Microsoft?

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Re: People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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> 20 years is way too large a minimum estimate. i disagree. unless intuit is also rewriting quickbooks, dassault systèmes is rewriting solidworks, every bank is rewriting their custom windows-only software, every government branch is rewriting their custom windows-only software, etc. and every company is willing to retrain 95% of their employees on a new operating system, have increased support requirements for a few…

In 20 years I expect basically all of these to move to web-based interfaces and away from thick clients. You're already seeing graphics heavy use cases like CAD do this (Onshape has been hugely popular and is cloud native on Linux). Even behemoths like SAP are increasingly web enabled through fiori.

it would be awesome to see less windows-only software. i am all for it.
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