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AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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Post by buttersicle »

gambutin wrote: post #75
applfanboysbgon wrote: post #31

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I feel very bad for the children and their relatives. What happened is really terrible. I wish there was the same level of rigour and energy applied to investigating the 40,000 deaths in early January. There are countless videos online. I simply don’t understand why 150 people receive so much attention while 40,000 don’t. This saddens me because it feels like the focus is on who was responsible rather than who lost t…

Nobody in the western world cares about either group of dead civilians. They only pretend to care because they think it might benefit their preferred tribe of politicians.

Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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Post by torginus »

yabutlivnWoods wrote: post #88
jvanderbot wrote: post #36

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I recommend looking closely at the New York Times analysis. There were factors that might have mitigated this as a strike target, but it also really did look like a part of the compound (and it originally was!). Yes, with hindsight, we can definitively know, and with sufficient time each target could probably have been positively ID'd, but there was precisely one mis-strike in 1000s of sorties, so this already is a l…

Wouldn't have been looking for targets if senile old fucks looking to deflect from their personal liabilities hadn't started shooting. AI didn't do shit here. Stupid people built the AI and the weapons and applied them. Any other argument is intentional obfuscation. You all are falling for propaganda.

It's almost as if AI's purpose is to shift blame, saying that the 'computer did it', in which case these deliberately unreliable AI systems are used, so that responsibility can be avoided, or smeared across the command chain, so every person was only responsible for an innocious part of the whole disaster.

A computer can never be held accountable Therefore a computer must never make a management decision

Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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Post by nahuel0x »

YZF wrote: post #67
nahuel0x wrote: post #20

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Check out this example: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjw4egp7lwno "As we pass through Khan Shaykhun, we come across a street painted in the colours of the Iranian flag. It leads to a school building that was being used as an Iranian headquarters." "On the wall at the entrance of the toilets, slogans read: "Down with Israel" and "Down with the USA". It was evident that these headquarters were also evacuated at sh…

I think nobody with a couple of neurons still buys the "every school and hospital in Gaza were Hamas, so we bombed them" nazi-zionist rhetoric.

Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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Post by atomic_reed »

keiferski wrote: post #60

Before it was the gods, then God, then Nature, and now AI. Human beings really have a fundamental issue with accepting responsibility for their actions. From a certain angle, the entire industrial and computer age looks like a massive effort to remove all responsibility for our actions, permanently.

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Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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Post by buttersicle »

albatross79 wrote: post #96

Had Iran done anything to the US as heinous as this one "mistake" in the last 50 years that compares? Imagine if some country did this to us and just brushed it off as a mistake.

Yes. They funded Hamas' invasion of Israel, a close ally of the US, which intentionally killed over 1000 civilians.

They have also repeatedly threatened to use nuclear weapons on Israel and were in the process of developing such weapons.

Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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Post by expedition32 »

Are Americans not even aware of their own history? The US carpet bombed the SHIT out of Korea and Vietnam. All it did was convince their enemies to fight.

And then in Afghanistan and Iraq the US terrified of every shadow blew up anything that looked suspicious- again only serving their enemies.

It is all just so damn tiresome and America never learns because it literally cannot go 5 years without starting some unnecessary and ultimately futile conflict.

Imagine how much money China is saving.

Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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Post by orochimaaru »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #89
dbt00 wrote: post #69

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How many American schoolchildren have Iran killed in the last 25 years? How many Iranian schoolchildren have America killed? Where's your moral justification for this war of choice if "oops, 137 dead kids is a normal expected outcome"?

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No. No childs life is worth some hypothetical regime change. There is no greater evil in this scenario than a hypothetical greater good attempts at justifying this.

Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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Post by stickfigure »

burkaman wrote: post #153
jvanderbot wrote: post #115

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I will try to respond to all these independent threads, but we can't continue all of them at once. > . “These aren’t just nameless, faceless targets,” he said later. “This is a place where people are going to feel ramifications for a long time.” The targeting cycle had been fast enough to hit 50 buildings and too fast to discover it was hitting the wrong ones. > The air force’s own targeting guide, in effect during t…

> If you do - how can you? Why would they? I can't answer why they would do it, but I don't think it's unusual for these people to knowingly strike civilian targets that they believe will have children present. In the famous Pete Hegseth leaked Signal chat, they were discussing bombing a residential apartment building in the middle of the night because they thought a single target was there visiting his girlfriend. O…

No evidence has shown up suggesting there was some sort of compelling target in the school. As foul as Trump and Hegseth may be, they aren't cartoon character villains. The Occam's razor explanation is that this was an intelligence failure and a tragic mistake.
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