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People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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Re: People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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Post by tapia »

Arainach wrote: post #89
miyoji wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with Windows and MacOS is that they are hostile to the user, and that's because they serve a "product" manager who is trying to maximize business value for a massive corporation, not serve you a good OS. We don't need three garbage corporate operating systems mismanaged by MBAs, we already have two!

Windows is arguably philosophically user-hostile. Anyone who's ever tried to get support online with a question about Linux will quickly meet *actual* user hostility as they're asked why they didn't know to check for the config file in the filing cabinet in the basement behind a locked door saying beware of leopard, how dumb they are, etc.

Not my experience at least. You can go to the forum of archlinux and see the replies. They tend to be quite useful and in a good tone.

Re: People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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Post by stronglikedan »

ano-ther wrote: post #2

That would improve things. Over the weekend, a family member could not log into their laptop any longer. Turned out to be “a problem with Teams” that required an unscheduled update which was marked as optional. Needless to say that they never used Teams on that machine. When the login worked partially, their files weren’t accessible because they accidentally saved it on OneDrive which now defaults to storing online o…

> OneDrive which now defaults to storing online only

Holy shit that's nuts!

Re: People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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Post by Melatonic »

Rapzid wrote: post #64
grujicd wrote: post #12

This "make Windows better" push is far more political than technological. It's a fight with other divisions about using Windows as a marketing and sales channel for other products and services. It has to be a decision from the very top. I hope they realize that Windows is in significant danger, the majority market share for Desktop OS is not guaranteed anymore. It's not just 10% of revenue, it's a foundation for how…

As someone with a sizeable background in Linux system engineering.. I prefer Windows to MacOS. It's IMHO a better desktop now with the edge snap tile layout and etc. Excellent device compatibility. And I get my linux environment needs satisfied via WSL2 these days. But damn if they don't get in their own way. I have my own Pro licenses, and even with Pro turning off ads and features is text book whack-a-mole: * Frequ…

Get Windows LTSC instead and run Firefox ! Most problems solved.

Re: People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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Post by pomian »

xiaolong543 wrote: post #59
xeromal wrote: post #5

Windows LTSC gang.

I made sure to have Windows 10 LTSC installed on every PC that I had in the past five years. Will never look back.

Yes and now win 11 ltsc! It's like the difference between browsing the internet with and without unblock origin.

Re: People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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Post by kstrauser »

tonymet wrote: post #68

I’m a Windows fan, and I could see this being a pain for OEMs and installers / IT guys – but I don’t see why people are making a huge deal . Windows quality is a much bigger issue: latency, reliability issues, inconsistencies in the UI, etc. Windows account login provides decent value: Bitlocker recovery, device management, Onedrive sync (even the free version), simpler RDP & remote RPC authentication. You won’t even…

With it, can you use your laptop offline?

Re: People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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Post by tgsovlerkhgsel »

The enshittifiers don't seem to understand inertia. By the time the enshittification becomes bad enough to do something about it, it's too late.

For that to happen, people have to be pissed off enough that it starts affecting metrics. Then, that needs to be detected, a decision to do something about it has to be made (we are probably somewhere around here), then that decision needs to be implemented step by step by removing all the enshittification... and in the meantime, the reputation as a terminally enshittified product keeps growing.

Even if most of the enshittification is removed, the reputation will stick for a while, just like the product was able to initially keep being successful despite the enshittification.

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Post by Someone1234 »

varispeed wrote: post #155
Rapzid wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone with a sizeable background in Linux system engineering.. I prefer Windows to MacOS. It's IMHO a better desktop now with the edge snap tile layout and etc. Excellent device compatibility. And I get my linux environment needs satisfied via WSL2 these days. But damn if they don't get in their own way. I have my own Pro licenses, and even with Pro turning off ads and features is text book whack-a-mole: * Frequ…

Don't forget the search that doesn't work. You have app "X" installed? You type X and it doesn't find it, but gives you irrelevant results about X.

Windows' search has been broken for multiple generations now. Some people inside Microsoft seemingly even know, that's why the PowerToys team created "PowerToys Run." A Windows Search that actually basically functions correctly.

People act like it sudden was broken in Windows 11 when in reality it never worked correctly in 7, 8, 8.1, or 10 either. Instead of fixing it, they've only made it worse. It seems like nobody in Microsoft works on core stuff anymore.

Re: People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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Post by lelanthran »

kuerbel wrote: post #125
john_strinlai wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I hope they realize that Windows is in significant danger, the majority market share for Desktop OS is not guaranteed anymore. i agree with most of what you said, but this is borderline fantasy. the majority of home market share is not guaranteed, sure. with how good gaming is on non-windows machines now, there isnt much for a home user to get locked-in with (except games that require windows-only malware i.e. anti…

Large parts of one german state switched to open source. First they laughed at them and now they are envious. The switch to Linux is happening this year. Until the end of the year they want all workers on Linux instead of Windows. It is possible, and fast if you want it.

> Large parts of one german state switched to open source.

Haven't they been doing this every 5 - 8 years since 2004?

Re: People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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Post by kstrauser »

chocochunks wrote: post #180
kstrauser wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So… the contention is that Windows isn’t good for work use? That’s not a compelling argument in its favor.

No, the contention is that corporate junk has a tendency to slow down PCs and equivalent software would do the same to the Neo or worse.

Huh, guess I’ve never worked at a Mac shop big enough to suffer Mac-ruining software. My biggest shop only had about 15,000 employees, so maybe it’s only the large companies enduring that.
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