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AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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Post by jameskilton »

Something that a lot of tech people, especially in Silicon Valley, seem to want to forget, is that at every level you still have people making decisions. AI is suggesting but someone, somewhere, still has to make the decision to act on that suggestion.

It's still people doing people things.

Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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Post by idle_zealot »

jameskilton wrote: post #2

Something that a lot of tech people, especially in Silicon Valley, seem to want to forget, is that at every level you still have people making decisions. AI is suggesting but someone, somewhere, still has to make the decision to act on that suggestion. It's still people doing people things.

The immediate concern isn't really fully autonomous systems, it's that the nature and design of recommender/suggestion systems prompt humans to sleepwalk through their responsibilities.

Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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Post by ognav »

The Guardian carrying water for the AI industry. The distinction between Maven and Claude is futile. We get that Maven is Palantir, but it integrates Claude:

https://www.reuters.com/technology/palantir-faces-challenge-...

Going into a generic rant about anti-AI people after missing sources and believing the Department of War is just extremely poor journalism from the newspaper that destroyed evidence after a command from GCHQ.

I hope this is a single "journalist" and that the Guardian has not been bought.

Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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Post by pixl97 »

jameskilton wrote: post #2

Something that a lot of tech people, especially in Silicon Valley, seem to want to forget, is that at every level you still have people making decisions. AI is suggesting but someone, somewhere, still has to make the decision to act on that suggestion. It's still people doing people things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_says_no

Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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Post by tunesmith »

Really fascinating article. Bits of bias here and there, like "The US military has been trying to close the gap between seeing something and destroying it for as long as that gap has existed" -- you can respond to seeing and understanding something without destroying it -- but it underscores, to me at least, how much denser the "fog of war" has become. The fog of media reporting in general. Those first few paragraphs felt like a breath of fresh air.

Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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Post by CamperBob2 »

ognav wrote: post #4

The Guardian carrying water for the AI industry. The distinction between Maven and Claude is futile. We get that Maven is Palantir, but it integrates Claude: https://www.reuters.com/technology/palantir-faces-challenge-... Going into a generic rant about anti-AI people after missing sources and believing the Department of War is just extremely poor journalism from the newspaper that destroyed evidence after a command…

Better than carrying water for people who blame inanimate tools for their own personal and professional failures.

Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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Post by phillipcarter »

ognav wrote: post #4

The Guardian carrying water for the AI industry. The distinction between Maven and Claude is futile. We get that Maven is Palantir, but it integrates Claude: https://www.reuters.com/technology/palantir-faces-challenge-... Going into a generic rant about anti-AI people after missing sources and believing the Department of War is just extremely poor journalism from the newspaper that destroyed evidence after a command…

I assume you actually read the article and didn't just post this after a quick skim, yes? Because saying this:

> The distinction between Maven and Claude is futile

Doesn't make any sense at all when you read the article and understand what Claude actually does in this equation. From the article:

> Neither Claude nor any other LLMs detects targets, processes radar, fuses sensor data or pairs weapons to targets. LLMs are late additions to Palantir’s ecosystem. In late 2024, years after the core system was operational, Palantir added an LLM layer – this is where Claude sits – that lets analysts search and summarise intelligence reports in plain English. But the language model was never what mattered about this system.

The whole point here is that whether an LLM is involved or not is immaterial to the system as a whole, and it's a disservice to the public to focus on LLMs here.

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