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People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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Re: People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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Post by TheRoque »

bushbaba wrote: post #24
spandrew wrote: post #13

I would never advise anyone buy a Microsoft Windows laptop these days — between the forced updates, the account and service-fee thirst, ads, and consumer unfriendly product release process (forced opt-in). Guess what? With Apple's new Neo laptop the price is also way way wayyy out to lunch. If MSFT gives a business a huge bulk discount to buy their laptops + Office360 + Teams... OK? But as a "consumer" it really suck…

The neo is the Chromebook for education revolution. It’s cheap and better than 98%+ of windows laptops. I’d not be surprised to see further Mac penetration to the business sector

13 inch screen though.. it's really small

And with 8GB of RAM you are quite limited in the business sector as you say

Re: People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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Post by tim-projects »

WarmWash wrote: post #22
ooterness wrote: post #3

Too little, too late. I switched to Linux and I'm never looking back. Good riddance, Microsoft.

The problem with linux is that it is made and maintained by people who love linux. Until product people start getting involved, it's damned to it's eternal ~5% consumer market penetration.

> The problem with linux is that it is made and maintained by people who love linux.

I think I'd probably say that the problem with Windows is it's made and maintained by people who own macbooks.

Re: People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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Post by longislandguido »

spandrew wrote: post #13

I would never advise anyone buy a Microsoft Windows laptop these days — between the forced updates, the account and service-fee thirst, ads, and consumer unfriendly product release process (forced opt-in). Guess what? With Apple's new Neo laptop the price is also way way wayyy out to lunch. If MSFT gives a business a huge bulk discount to buy their laptops + Office360 + Teams... OK? But as a "consumer" it really suck…

The Neo costs $200 more than a comparable Windows laptop, but with half the RAM and storage as said comparable Windows laptop.

They're fighting to seize the very specific market segment of "I don't like Windows and don't want to use Linux or a Chromebook, and I'm also poor, but still want to pay a premium price for an underpowered tablet with keyboard glued to it."

Re: People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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Post by longislandguido »

TheRoque wrote: post #31
bushbaba wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The neo is the Chromebook for education revolution. It’s cheap and better than 98%+ of windows laptops. I’d not be surprised to see further Mac penetration to the business sector

13 inch screen though.. it's really small And with 8GB of RAM you are quite limited in the business sector as you say

I'm seeing a lot of "8GB ought to be enough for anybody" here over the last week....

Re: People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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Post by kstrauser »

Supermancho wrote: post #14
kstrauser wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you mean?

people remember creating an Apple Account login and using it on their laptop, but don't understand that it's connected in fundamentally different ways. The answer is: Because the Apple Login is not calling out for every service, including login.

I also think that's what they meant. Alternatively, the person could've been asking why Apple hasn't made the same boneheaded mistake as MS. I wasn't sure how to interpret their question to know how to answer it.

Re: People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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Post by graemep »

pipes wrote: post #19
ooterness wrote: post #3

Too little, too late. I switched to Linux and I'm never looking back. Good riddance, Microsoft.

I've done this several times over the last 18 years or so. The most recent was a few months a go. And my steamdeck persuaded me. Unfortunately I ran into the same WiFi networking issue I've never managed to resolve. Even on different hardware. Pings to my default gateway are ridiculously slow compared to windows. I spent countless hours trying to resolve. I gave up and have gone with windows 11 ltsc.

What is the constant? You have something that is unusual and that has not changed for 18 years. Is it specific to your home network?

I have not had any issues I can remember with Linux wifi for as long as I have used wifi.

Re: People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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Post by emptyfile »

spandrew wrote: post #13

I would never advise anyone buy a Microsoft Windows laptop these days — between the forced updates, the account and service-fee thirst, ads, and consumer unfriendly product release process (forced opt-in). Guess what? With Apple's new Neo laptop the price is also way way wayyy out to lunch. If MSFT gives a business a huge bulk discount to buy their laptops + Office360 + Teams... OK? But as a "consumer" it really suck…

Meanwhile every MacOS thread is filled with people complaining how everything is broken and only getting worse.

Not that I'd know, I've probably seen <10 apple laptop devices in my life and never used one.

Re: People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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Post by taeric »

throwa356262 wrote: post #7

Serious question: why is this not a problem with apple products?

Fundamentally, I think you are driving at a legitimate complaint and it should be a concern with Apple products.

The direct answer, though, is largely one of execution. Microsoft isn't just pushing this heavily. They are doing so poorly.

Re: People inside Microsoft are fighting to drop mandatory Microsoft Account

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Post by dpark »

TheRoque wrote: post #31
bushbaba wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The neo is the Chromebook for education revolution. It’s cheap and better than 98%+ of windows laptops. I’d not be surprised to see further Mac penetration to the business sector

13 inch screen though.. it's really small And with 8GB of RAM you are quite limited in the business sector as you say

13” is not really that small. It’s a screen size many people choose.

The Neo is also not a play for businesses directly. It seems pretty clearly a play for students who will eventually enter the business world with their personal laptop preferences.

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