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Running Tesla Model 3's computer on my desk using parts from crashed cars

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Re: Running Tesla Model 3's computer on my desk using parts from crashed cars

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Post by darkwater »

mrguyorama wrote: post #291
pastage wrote: post #201

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There are about 3000 deaths per year in Sweden attributed to position from cars, and 300 physical accidents. So it is a really big issue, but it is almost impossible to make people understand that their car use and modification mains people. Modified cars can release 1000x more polution, on streets with 800 daily cars that will have an affect.

You can ban modifying your car to pollute more (which we do) without banning modifying your car. This isn't complicated FFS. The difficulty against this in the US is the unfortunate reality that the people coming to these shops to enable their stupid trucks to roll coal are the people who should technically be raiding and shutting down these companies. This can be fixed. Physically, you can already modify your car to…

In Spain (but I think in every EU country) you must go through legal inspection and certification if you do modify your car. And most of the aftermarket mods people install are totally illegal and would not pass that exam. I mean changes like putting a spoiler, lowering the height from ground etc

Re: Running Tesla Model 3's computer on my desk using parts from crashed cars

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Post by bdavbdav »

dotancohen wrote: post #313
bdavbdav wrote: post #195

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Not necessarily. All they have to do is roll a pub key into the update package. Same as any OTA update.

Do Tesla vehicles get VIN-specific updates?

Not sure - if I was designing it, feels like it would be a good way of getting the right build to the right car so that all the HW versions of each module are in line.

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Post by malwrar »

jmalicki wrote: post #277
malwrar wrote: post #225

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People have been modifying their cars since cars have existed, an electric car shouldn’t be anything new.

People have been killing each other with weapons for as long as they've been around, nuclear weapons shouldn't be anything new.

No one should have nuclear weapons, we aught to have robust policy, institutions, and vigilance to prevent their proliferation and use.

Computerized vehicles aught to be strictly regulated in terms of how computers may affect the physical operation of the car, such that a reasonable standard of safety can be ensured outside the usual risk one takes when hopping in a motor vehicle. The fact that a hacker can possibly kill people by rooting an infotainment system is a symptom of the general disregard for security in design, and we continue to ignore it for engineering expediency.

Re: Running Tesla Model 3's computer on my desk using parts from crashed cars

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Post by throwway120385 »

scrumper wrote: post #278
RankingMember wrote: post #239

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Any chance someone ripped that old site? Do you remember the URL? I don't have a Ford, just always curious about this stuff.

charm.li covers Fords and many other makes too up to 2013 ish. It is a pirate archive site holding workshop manuals for thousands of cars. Very useful. Very free. Long may it stay hidden. More legitimately, alldata.com has repair data, workshop manuals for most marques up to today and will sell you either single vehicle (called "DIY") or a package aimed at independent mechanics where you can access anything. Same man…

I didn't know they had shop manuals. That's been a pretty big limitation of my spouse's Buick is that there isn't any information or exploded-view diagrams of anything so we basically have to pay an hourly for someone else to change emissions parts in response to trouble codes.

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Post by throwway120385 »

thrtythreeforty wrote: post #265
AbanoubRodolf wrote: post #167

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I would love to lobby to change how the law works for these cases: for some definition of "firmware" (informally "software that ships with hardware and is not intended to be selected by the consumer like a computer operating system"), add a copyright exception so that modifying the firmware in situ is treated like modifying the physical hardware, because in practice they are in fact the same thing: a single component…

I think the law should regard the general thing being copied (firmware, software, etc) as different from a single copy. For example, the law could regard modifying a single instance of firmware similarly to the way it regards modifying a book. Right now you can take a book and mark it up or tear pages out if you want without any permission, and the only reason permission would be required for firmware is because of the ability to have telemetry and attestation. So it seems like a pretty good extension of copyright law to protect any modification of a copy but not the sale of additional copies.

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Post by ChoGGi »

Reason077 wrote: post #181
AbanoubRodolf wrote: post #167

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> "Tesla is the same pattern applied to consumer vehicles" It really isn't. Unlike John Deere, Tesla is actually pretty good on right-to-repair. All of their technical and repair manuals are available for free to anyone. The service/diagnostics software ("Toolbox") is also available to anyone, albeit for a (not entirely unreasonable) fee. (There is also a service mode built in to the car which can do many basic diagn…

Being forced to release manuals doesn't make them good (thanks Massachusetts).

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Post by dotancohen »

bdavbdav wrote: post #332
dotancohen wrote: post #313

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Do Tesla vehicles get VIN-specific updates?

Not sure - if I was designing it, feels like it would be a good way of getting the right build to the right car so that all the HW versions of each module are in line.

I'd imagine that the update includes all the possible hardware, and the update script actually decides which components to use. Like apt on Debian or yum on RHEL.

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Post by creantum »

FireBeyond wrote: post #306
creantum wrote: post #275

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Diagnostic tools are built into every car and free, service mode is amazing. No other car manufacturer does that.

Elementary diagnostic tools are free. If you think this is actual diagnostic tools? No. Free? Weird that Tesla offers a subscription for it: https://service.tesla.com/en-US/diagnostic-software $700/year is a strange definition of "free". You seem to miss my point. The OP wanted to pat Tesla on the back for their amazing commitment to freeness and openness. My point was that even if they are doing good/much better now…

No, you’re wrong. I have a Tesla and service mode is free and amazing, I can look at any system and subsystems with it, look at logs, and do testing, all from the built in touch screen all for free. No other car manufacturer comes close. Not sure why you hate Tesla so much and are so bent on spreading false information. Maybe you should help save the planet and get one.

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Post by BrianGragg »

thinkmassive wrote: post #289
fluoridation wrote: post #273

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A driver could also install a little machine that turns the wheel slightly at regular intervals, to the same effect.

I've heard multiple people claim an ankle weight on the steering wheel is sufficient for hands-free driving.

Actively combated by Tesla as they detect it also. They actively apply patches to try and detect things like this and block it.
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