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Re: Ensu – Ente’s Local LLM app

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Post by alterom »

kylehotchkiss wrote: post #102
netfl0 wrote: post #16

Weird hype going on here in comments.

Also weird arrogance. Yeah, somebody else could have vibe coded it in a week. But they didn't, so they don't get the 100 HN klout points for it. Helping non-technical people get off of ChatGPT.com and using increasingly better local models seems worth celebrating and continued iteration.

>Also weird arrogance

It's part for the course, yet I'm still surprised.

My favorite so far is a commenter proudly touting their own run-LLM-locally app to prove that they "did it already".

An app which is desktop only.

I am at loss when it comes to arguing with people like that.

Re: Ensu – Ente’s Local LLM app

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Post by yomismoaqui »

mschulze wrote: post #55
yomismoaqui wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You sure were when you posted those comments, but now, we cannot be sure... So you look down you see a tortoise. It's crawling towards you.

I mean I get it, astroturfing is a real problem and an annoying one for communities. But I also have no idea how to prove to you that I am neither a bot nor shilling here.

Don't worry, I was just joking about the future that await us.

Re: Ensu – Ente’s Local LLM app

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Post by Oxodao »

yomismoaqui wrote: post #47
Mashimo wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Also unsure why they said "Claude Code", it's not an CLI agent AFAIK? Claude Code is a Desktop app as well.

The consfusing way AI companies like to name products is something to be studied.

tbf they're not the only one doing so, we had 3 different "Microsoft Teams" and "Outlook" until recently...

Re: Ensu – Ente’s Local LLM app

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Post by codethief »

vishnukvmd wrote: post #176
codethief wrote: post #167

I've been a big fan of Ente and their work and am a paying customer but, man, this comment in a long-standing GitHub feature request is ringing truer every day: > Ente is becoming like Proton: too many products and a lack of focus, leading to lower quality and not delivering what customers want https://github.com/ente-io/ente/discussions/552#discussionco...

Hi, we had addressed this concern (along with the timelines for nested albums) during our recent AMA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lkTspvi_mM&t=1728s If you have any follow up questions, please do ask.

Hi Vishnu, thanks for engaging here – it is highly appreciated! Let me respond to a couple of your statements from the interview:

> I think it's important to offer a complete package

I agree. But doesn't that start with making one product (Ente Photos) good enough for people to actually be able to migrate? If Ente Photo really is your "home ground", as you say, shouldn't you prioritize accordingly? Specifically, in your response[0] to the GitHub issue I linked you say

> to pull it off with the finesse we would like, it will take us more than a quarter. […] I will mark this feature as unplanned until we have more engineering bandwidth.

But it seems you really do have the engineering bandwidth! You've just been prioritizing other products besides Ente Photos. I do understand that folder nesting in particular is a non-trivial change and if you look at the discussion on GitHub, I've actually been defending you rather heavily. But it's becoming increasingly difficult to do so – quite frankly, I am starting to doubt your product management is entirely on the right track if in 3 years you can't dedicate 3 months to the feature request with the highest number of votes by far. More generally, I am losing trust that any of your products will see enough polishing any time soon. (So I will definitely not put time into migrating anything else if I can't even migrate my photos yet.) And it seems I'm not the only one thinking that – your reputation among enthusiasts is starting to take a hit.

> There is no way Ente is going to let anyone else build a better photo app.

Words to live by! :-)

[0]: https://github.com/ente-io/ente/discussions/552#discussionco...

Re: Ensu – Ente’s Local LLM app

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Post by vishnukvmd »

codethief wrote: post #186
vishnukvmd wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi, we had addressed this concern (along with the timelines for nested albums) during our recent AMA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lkTspvi_mM&t=1728s If you have any follow up questions, please do ask.

Hi Vishnu, thanks for engaging here – it is highly appreciated! Let me respond to a couple of your statements from the interview: > I think it's important to offer a complete package I agree. But doesn't that start with making one product (Ente Photos) good enough for people to actually be able to migrate? If Ente Photo really is your "home ground", as you say, shouldn't you prioritize accordingly? Specifically, in y…

Hey, thanks for the response.

For a bootstrapped, engineering-driven company like Ente, product offers the best leverage for growth. We are not P0-ing nested folders right now because we believe there are areas within the photos app investing into which will provide higher revenue returns, that we can re-invest into increasing our engineering bandwidth.

Now I understand the disappointment around us not prioritizing a feature that is blocking you from even using the product. It is a loss for all parties, but it is important for us to plan long-term. And while we're not prioritizing this specific feature, I don't think it is fair to say that we do not invest time into polish. We do care about our craft[0][1][2].

In case it helps, here's our product lead addressing the timelines for nested albums, and our perspectives around organization: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lkTspvi_mM&t=367s

[0]: https://ente.com/blog/offline-gallery-faster-ml-family-feed-...

[1]: https://ente.com/blog/likes-comments-admin-settings-ente-pho...

[2]: https://ente.com/blog/introducing-rituals-public-links-ente-...

Re: Ensu – Ente’s Local LLM app

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Post by codethief »

vishnukvmd wrote: post #187
codethief wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi Vishnu, thanks for engaging here – it is highly appreciated! Let me respond to a couple of your statements from the interview: > I think it's important to offer a complete package I agree. But doesn't that start with making one product (Ente Photos) good enough for people to actually be able to migrate? If Ente Photo really is your "home ground", as you say, shouldn't you prioritize accordingly? Specifically, in y…

Hey, thanks for the response. For a bootstrapped, engineering-driven company like Ente, product offers the best leverage for growth. We are not P0-ing nested folders right now because we believe there are areas within the photos app investing into which will provide higher revenue returns, that we can re-invest into increasing our engineering bandwidth. Now I understand the disappointment around us not prioritizing a…

Thanks again for the YouTube link – I hadn't had time to watch the entire video yet, so I wasn't aware your product lead addressed nested folders specifically.

So how would nested tags interact with albums? Will I also be able to share (or contribute to) tags like I can share (or contribute to) albums? Actually, aren't albums already "tag-like" in the sense that photos can be assigned to multiple albums at the same time?

> And while we're not prioritizing this specific feature, I don't think it is fair to say that we do not invest time into polish. We do care about our craft[0][1][2].

This was overly harsh, my apologies!

Re: Ensu – Ente’s Local LLM app

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Post by vishnukvmd »

codethief wrote: post #188
vishnukvmd wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey, thanks for the response. For a bootstrapped, engineering-driven company like Ente, product offers the best leverage for growth. We are not P0-ing nested folders right now because we believe there are areas within the photos app investing into which will provide higher revenue returns, that we can re-invest into increasing our engineering bandwidth. Now I understand the disappointment around us not prioritizing a…

Thanks again for the YouTube link – I hadn't had time to watch the entire video yet, so I wasn't aware your product lead addressed nested folders specifically. So how would nested tags interact with albums? Will I also be able to share (or contribute to) tags like I can share (or contribute to) albums? Actually, aren't albums already "tag-like" in the sense that photos can be assigned to multiple albums at the same t…

You will be able to create "smart albums" with nested tags, and share (and contribute) to them.

Albums are tag-like in the sense you described it, but might be an overkill[0] for the outcome we wish to achieve - organization, sharing, and ability to respect original folder structure when a user exports their data.

[0]: https://ente.io/architecture

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