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Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

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Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

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Post by nickysielicki »

0x3f wrote: post #69
nickysielicki wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This whole event was precipitated by Palantir using Claude in the Maduro raid, and news of this surprising Anthropic and resulting in them asking questions and maybe suggesting in private discussions that they took issue with this and wanted to introduce more posttraining limits on the ways their model was used by the department. This has been widely reported and I don’t think anyone is really disputing that. If that…

> Any sort of backroom dealings where they whisper off the record to defense CTOs that they have a problem with anthropics leadership and would prefer that they sub out to OpenAI or Gemini instead for LLM services would be totally illegal and a violation of procurement law. So they definitely can’t do that. It doesn't seem they'd be subject to any kind of effective enforcement to me

Anthropic would definitely have standing to sue if it was ever expressed in writing and leaked.

Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

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Post by nutjob2 »

longislandguido wrote: post #65
dfabulich wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, and the dead comments (from new users!) overwhelmingly favor the government position. But, this is a non-story, because those comments were correctly killed precisely so they wouldn't clog up this thread.

Do you think it's more likely a government influence operation, or a single dipshit lazily pasting LLM slop?

Could be organic dipshits with little to offer the discussion. That's the most common case in my view.

Said dipshits tend have an unnecessarily high degree of self regard.

Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

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Post by joe5150 »

charcircuit wrote: post #66
Dylan16807 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this question supposed to have anything to do with the situation at hand, where what they did was refuse to perform certain categories of service?

>was refuse to perform certain categories of service? Anthropic wanted to have the power over what the government could or couldn't do. If there was any false positive on something that was supposed to be allowed the government would have to work with Anthropic and get permission from them to do something they are allowed to do. This to me is the risk that Anthropic was giving to the government. If Anthropic expresse…

The military can work with someone else's product or use a bit of their trillion-dollar budget to come up with their own.

Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

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Post by swsieber »

dfabulich wrote: post #62
davidw wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you turn on the thing that shows 'dead' comments, there is a larger than normal number here.

Indeed, and the dead comments (from new users!) overwhelmingly favor the government position. But, this is a non-story, because those comments were correctly killed precisely so they wouldn't clog up this thread.

I wouldn't call something a non-story just because the ultimate end-goal was mitigated. The fact that it was attempted is a story, especially when it's a meta commentary on story about trying the same thing _officially_.

Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

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Post by sashank_1509 »

charcircuit wrote: post #66
Dylan16807 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this question supposed to have anything to do with the situation at hand, where what they did was refuse to perform certain categories of service?

>was refuse to perform certain categories of service? Anthropic wanted to have the power over what the government could or couldn't do. If there was any false positive on something that was supposed to be allowed the government would have to work with Anthropic and get permission from them to do something they are allowed to do. This to me is the risk that Anthropic was giving to the government. If Anthropic expresse…

Yes, anthropic wanted that power through a legal agreement. Not by spying on the pentagon , or training their AI model to lie to them etc, which seems more appropriate for supply chain risk. The government in this case can just cancel its legal agreement with Anthropic and move on, which was always its expected move. Trying to unilaterally destroy Anthropics business for a contractual disagreement is not fair and I’m glad the judicial is pushing back.

Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

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Post by SEJeff »

deaux wrote: post #70
SEJeff wrote: post #30

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Fun fact: Palantir is powered entirely by Claude and was what was used for the Venezuela operation and for targeting for the Iranian operation.

> Fun fact: Palantir is powered entirely by Claude Haha what, OpenAI has been in bed with them and their models used by them since before Anthropic was even a thing. Claude will just have been picked because they considered it the strongest at the task at that point in time. It's crazy to see this kind of misinformation.

Palantir maven uses Claude. This is not misinformation, but fact.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/palantir-faces-challenge-...

Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

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Post by nutjob2 »

charcircuit wrote: post #9

What's the point of a supply chain risk distinction if you can't mark a company as a risk if they express that they will be a risk?

Google the "arbitrary and capricious" legal standard. And try to stick to the facts about Anthropic's actions.

Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

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Post by felixgallo »

jimbob45 wrote: post #79

Lost in the cacophony is the fact that Anthropic fumbled a strong lifeline while hemorrhaging cash without a business model. It’s fun to look down at OpenAI but they may not get another chance like this again.

It's fun to say that Anthropic doesn't have a business model, but clearly they do. Hopefully they can achieve it while maintaining their standards, even if in the eyes of some that's 'fumbling a strong lifeline'.
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