Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

cnn.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

21–30 of 262 posts

Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

#21

Post by Waterluvian »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #7
paulpauper wrote: post #5

So much for all that alarmism a month ago. Just got to be patient and wait for cooler heads to prevail. Or it goes to show how Anthropic handled it well, by making their case as persuasively and assertively without delay as they had done.

I completely disagree with the idea that a court not allowing the Secretary of Defense to bankrupt a company for disagreeing with him means it's wrong to be alarmed that he tried. It remains extraordinarily alarming that the guy who runs the US military thinks anyone who tries to stop him from doing what he'd like is a threat.

I think the verdict has been in for years now that there is nothing that Americans will mobilize against if it’s only the principles of freedom and liberty on the line. I think it will take being poked with a rather large stick to see some movement. Crippling the economy might be that stick. Unfortunately we all get to suffer their idiocracy.

Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

#22

Post by SpicyLemonZest »

0x3f wrote: post #17
why_only_15 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point of the supply chain risk designation was not just to have the DoD stop using Anthropic (they could have done that by just cancelling the contract). Their intended effect was to force every company that sells to the US government, no matter how indirectly, to not use Anthropic in any way, which would effectively destroy them because almost every company is in the supply chain (for example my company is https…

I understand that, but I suspect the admin will now just have an informal, not-written-down policy that does exactly the same thing.

How would they implement such a policy? Amazon, Google, etc. aren't realistically going to terminate all business with Anthropic based on an informal policy that the DoD won't write down.

Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

#24

Post by mmoustafa »

0x3f wrote: post #18
mmoustafa wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Supply Chain Risk label requires every single company in the supply chain of a product or service provided to the US Government to either drop Anthropic or get dropped themselves. This is not just suppliers, but also includes suppliers of suppliers all the way down. This is a much larger chunk of the economy (approaching 100%) than the Pentagon/DOW.

Yes, but > I suspect the admin will now just have an informal, not-written-down policy that does exactly the same thing.

Aaand that would get challenged in court, remember they had to get Congress to create this designation in the first place because it is not de-facto legal for the USG to discriminate between individuals or corporations.

Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

#25

Post by why_only_15 »

0x3f wrote: post #17
why_only_15 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point of the supply chain risk designation was not just to have the DoD stop using Anthropic (they could have done that by just cancelling the contract). Their intended effect was to force every company that sells to the US government, no matter how indirectly, to not use Anthropic in any way, which would effectively destroy them because almost every company is in the supply chain (for example my company is https…

I understand that, but I suspect the admin will now just have an informal, not-written-down policy that does exactly the same thing.

This is not really possible. My guess is that the government is not willing to spend the necessary quantity of money to get e.g. Amazon or Google to divest of Anthropic and stop providing them computing resources.

Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

#27

Post by 0x3f »

why_only_15 wrote: post #25
0x3f wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand that, but I suspect the admin will now just have an informal, not-written-down policy that does exactly the same thing.

This is not really possible. My guess is that the government is not willing to spend the necessary quantity of money to get e.g. Amazon or Google to divest of Anthropic and stop providing them computing resources.

I believe Palantir are the only ones providing gov with Claude access

Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

#28

Post by Ifkaluva »

0x3f wrote: post #17
why_only_15 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point of the supply chain risk designation was not just to have the DoD stop using Anthropic (they could have done that by just cancelling the contract). Their intended effect was to force every company that sells to the US government, no matter how indirectly, to not use Anthropic in any way, which would effectively destroy them because almost every company is in the supply chain (for example my company is https…

I understand that, but I suspect the admin will now just have an informal, not-written-down policy that does exactly the same thing.

No you don’t understand, they can’t accomplish the same by an informal policy.

Both Google and Amazon are government contractors. With the designation, they might have had to divest their positions in Anthropic and be unable to serve their models.

No informal rule accomplishes that.

Re: Judge blocks Pentagon effort to 'punish' Anthropic with supply chain risk label

#30

Post by SEJeff »

why_only_15 wrote: post #13
0x3f wrote: post #8

Is the practical outcome much different? I doubt they'll get contracts either way, so the labelling was just a formality. If anything it seems the label was just intended to give a veneer of legitimacy to the admin by using an existing mechanism and terminology, rather than saying "we're going to block your access because we feel like it".

The point of the supply chain risk designation was not just to have the DoD stop using Anthropic (they could have done that by just cancelling the contract). Their intended effect was to force every company that sells to the US government, no matter how indirectly, to not use Anthropic in any way, which would effectively destroy them because almost every company is in the supply chain (for example my company is https…

Fun fact: Palantir is powered entirely by Claude and was what was used for the Venezuela operation and for targeting for the Iranian operation.
Post reply on HN