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Microsoft and Skype to axe world's most popular IM client early 2013

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Re: Microsoft and Skype to axe world's most popular IM client early 2013

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They kill the client or the protocol ? It's not really clear from the article. Don't care about the client itself (most IM clients suck anyway), that's why we have pidgin.

They're killing the client. Messenger accounts continue to work, and users can sign in to the Skype client with their existing Messenger credentials. Messenger will be run on the same infrastructure as before, not on the Skype peer-to-peer model. As far as I can tell, third-party clients should continue to work as well.

Re: Microsoft and Skype to axe world's most popular IM client early 2013

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This was the point I was going to make too. Skype is terrible, but yet it is still the best compared the competition. Let's consider the competition: - Live Messenger: It was the next best, now discontinued, but before that it was poorly supported, rarely updated, and had a ton of bugs. No external connectors (e.g. telephone networks). - Google Hangouts: Browser only. No external connectors. - Facetime: Apple ecosyst…

The problem with Google Hangouts is that it's fragmented. The GMail client does have external connectors, in fact they're still free for Canada/US calling. But calling another person for a hangout still requires they have Google+, IIRC. Google has a chance to destroy Skype with GTalk and hangouts, but instead they're suffocating it by trying to bundle it with Google+. I don't mind signing up for Google+, but I've giv…

Google Voice is a thing, but as of today it is essentially a US and Canada only product. They really haven't improved it in what seems like years.

Re: Microsoft and Skype to axe world's most popular IM client early 2013

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Back in 2006, MSN Messenger was one of the world's best-known brands (its logo outscored Mickey Mouse!); in large parts of Asia and Europe it had become a verb -- "I'll MSN you"; and had some clever approaches to ads that got extremely high clickthroughs.

But then MS changed its name to 'Windows Live Messenger' to boost the Windows Live brand; underinvested in development and support; and focused its advertising on trying to compete with Google for search ads.

Ah well. The path not taken.

Re: Microsoft and Skype to axe world's most popular IM client early 2013

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I think you need to update your skype.

did you try skype on Windows 8? there's no way to use it as an IM client on a Window (unless you install an older version) Microsoft is on a roll of dementia.

You can dock the app to the side and it will occupy about 1/3 of the screen or so. Shortcut - win + ..

The Windows 8 multitasking experience is way better than any other tablet OS. And if you are on desktop, maybe you will ve to stick with the desktop skype. Btw, it is not old version, it is the desktop version.

Re: Microsoft and Skype to axe world's most popular IM client early 2013

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Skype has a Win8 App

and you cannot use it on desktop mode. So, IMing and working on something else at the same time? impossible. Microsoft trying to shove the tablet experience on the desktop is going to hurt them big time. Now they kill MSN messenger, all latin america will be very sad, they still use that software down there.

Have you tried Win + .?

It docks the windows 8 app to side. You can chat away with skype by doing so.

Re: Microsoft and Skype to axe world's most popular IM client early 2013

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I use it to talk to my other half whilst in the office - that is it. I'll switch to IRSSI over SSH onto my hosted server (I'll just run a local ircd) and she can use mIRC on her laptop instead. I have no intention of using another hosted service. It would be more reliable as well - Live Messenger reliability has always been crap. (For ref, I do not use Skype, Facebook or any social tools).

Just as an FYI, you can setup your own XMPP server in 20 min, and chat with people on facebook, gtalk, etc. www.prosody.im

Nope, not on Facebook you can't. Unless I'm sourly mistaken, the Facebook Jabber server does not support s2s federation (by choice, obviously) and won't let users outside the Facebook Jabber server chat to those on it.

Cue walled garden rant.

Wha you can do is use an existing Facebook (Jabber) account on a regular Jabber client such as Pidgin, Adium and such.

No problem chatting with @gmail.com JIDs from any Jabber server though (well, besides the fact that Google's Multi User Chat support is pretty shitty in my experience, and that the two-way Jabber subscription process it bit weird in Google land).

I absolutely second the Prosody advice though, wonderful server and very friendly community and devs!

Re: Microsoft and Skype to axe world's most popular IM client early 2013

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Just as an FYI, you can setup your own XMPP server in 20 min, and chat with people on facebook, gtalk, etc. www.prosody.im

Nope, not on Facebook you can't. Unless I'm sourly mistaken, the Facebook Jabber server does not support s2s federation (by choice, obviously) and won't let users outside the Facebook Jabber server chat to those on it. Cue walled garden rant. Wha you can do is use an existing Facebook (Jabber) account on a regular Jabber client such as Pidgin, Adium and such. No problem chatting with @gmail.com JIDs from any Jabber s…

Haven't tested, but this says the opposite: http://techcrunch.com/2010/02/10/facebook-chat-launches-xmpp...

Re: Microsoft and Skype to axe world's most popular IM client early 2013

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Performance aside, here is what I hate about Skype compared to MSN / WLM: privacy. (1) Skype logs you in to your last known status / on MSN you could choose before login (for example, "appear offline"/"invisible"). If I just want to check if a contact is online without my aunt start chatting, I can't. (2) There is no easy way to block whole contact groups temporarily. When I'm at work, I don't want my friends to see…

(2) surely isn't a bug; if you have two subsets of contacts that you want to keep entirely separate why use a single account?

Re: Microsoft and Skype to axe world's most popular IM client early 2013

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Skype client should be axed instead. It's a pile of ugly looking mess and eats half of computer's resources. I dread to turn it on anywhere else than on my overpowered home PC. And don't even get me started on the Android client. It's completely useless on a high-powered tablet, and equally useless on a low-powered phone. I remember the times when official IM clients were lightweight and pleasant to use. Now you eith…

I think the Messenger client for Android launch as late as August this year, and to very little fanfare. At least Skype has established mobile clients. It's strange how Microsoft let the strong MSN Messenger brand slip.

Re: Microsoft and Skype to axe world's most popular IM client early 2013

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and you cannot use it on desktop mode. So, IMing and working on something else at the same time? impossible. Microsoft trying to shove the tablet experience on the desktop is going to hurt them big time. Now they kill MSN messenger, all latin america will be very sad, they still use that software down there.

Have you tried Win + .? It docks the windows 8 app to side. You can chat away with skype by doing so.

I always seem to forget about this feature. I just installed the Skype Win8 App last night and spent the whole time switching screens. I just tried Win + . and it made the experience a lot better.

I don't have a Surface (yet) but I bet that feature alone makes it worth it for multi-taskers.

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