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Olympic Committee bars transgender athletes from women’s events

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Re: Olympic Committee bars transgender athletes from women’s events

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Post by servo_sausage »

grogg wrote: post #462
qingcharles wrote: post #438

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one of the rare problems where there exists no good solution to the issue. Even without taking transfem athletes into consideration, there still remains a problem for women's sports in that sex (not gender) is not fully black and white, male and female, and some high-performing female athletes show signs of intersex, which has caused this entire hysteria about checking for penises. How do you ever come up wit…

Seems to me like the obvious answer is to categorize these events by weight division rather than gender, but this will never be considered because the hysteria is the point.

Doesn't really work, men are stronger than women at the same weight...

And that's at the peak of fitness; lower level competitions with juniors or not optimallyfit people exaggerate the strength difference.

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Post by zahlman »

brendoelfrendo wrote: post #158
everdrive wrote: post #140

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Certainly some of the high profile cases have been fairly absurd. A mid-tier male athletic transitions, and then blows the female record out of the water and gets gold. What I don't know is whether there are wider stats rather than some really big notable cases. It wouldn't surprise me, I just don't have the facts at the moment.

> A mid-tier male athletic transitions, and then blows the female record out of the water and gets gold. Do you have an example of this happening?

I literally copied and pasted that sentence into DDG and got https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/2966308/oregon-high-... as the first result.

Re: Olympic Committee bars transgender athletes from women’s events

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Post by WillPostForFood »

grogg wrote: post #462
qingcharles wrote: post #438

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one of the rare problems where there exists no good solution to the issue. Even without taking transfem athletes into consideration, there still remains a problem for women's sports in that sex (not gender) is not fully black and white, male and female, and some high-performing female athletes show signs of intersex, which has caused this entire hysteria about checking for penises. How do you ever come up wit…

Seems to me like the obvious answer is to categorize these events by weight division rather than gender, but this will never be considered because the hysteria is the point.

Explain how you'd do basketball? Marathons? Maybe it isn't obvious, but weight isn't the main difference between men and women, nor is it necessarily an advantage in different sports.

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Post by ravenical »

happymellon wrote: post #9

Has anyone measured trans athletes performance? I see this topic come up repeatedly in different guises, protect women from the evil trans-agenda. But I haven't seen where this is actually a problem. Do trans-athletes regularly out perform "born as" (not sure the best way to phrase it) athletes?

IOC's previous review suggests no: https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/60/3/198

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Post by waterhouse »

gwbas1c wrote: post #416
cmiles8 wrote: post #159

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I know of one person who was born physically a woman, but has XY chromosomes. It is only due to modern medicine that we know that there is anything "unusual" with her gender. Otherwise, she is physically a woman with no observable clues to her condition. (IE, in the past, she would have been infertile, and probably died young due to her situation.) I'm not comfortable with saying that people like her need to compete…

Complete androgen insensitivity syndrome, I imagine? That's probably the one category of XY people who have undergone no hormonal masculinization throughout their lives, and the one case where I'd agree with them competing with women. Wikipedia says it's estimated to be "1 in 20,400 to 1 in 99,000".

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Post by ImJamal »

nekusar wrote: post #306

The fair answer is to remove sex, gender, and everything related to that from classification. Dont look at it. Dont consider it. Everyone competes together. It means that floor gymnastics is fair for *anyone* to compete in. None of this "wrong crotch shape" bullshit. Or intersex. Or trans. If you are good enough, you get in. If not, you dont. And the whole trans argument would go away. Means testing and gender means…

Women would win almost no sports competition. Maybe that is fine in your view, but many women want to have a chance at winning.

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Post by peyton »

TimorousBestie wrote: post #456
scoofy wrote: post #451

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The issue is that “woman’s sports” is itself intentionally discriminatory. That the issue of discrimination comes up is to be expected. The idea of competitive sports exists in a framework of discrimination means that you will always have unhappy people. The good news is that sports, for the most part, is mostly symbolic, and rarely affects ones livelihood.

Unfortunately pointless, mostly symbolic things attract the most hysterical reactions from people.

Five billion people followed the Paris Olympics. It’s actually kind of important.

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Post by fwip »

rolymath wrote: post #163
harveychess wrote: post #139

Trans women are women. If you want to see men dressed as women, watch "This is the Army" (1943), an American wartime musical comedy film that features actor Ronald Regan, and a lot of musical numbers performed by men in drag.

If they were you wouldn't need to call them "trans"

"Tall women aren't women."
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