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Olympic Committee bars transgender athletes from women’s events

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Many people like to focus on the purely physical attributes, but there's a clear distinction even in realms like chess.

The highest ranked female chess player is right around #55 globally, wherein the top 50 all are dominated by men.

Some of this may have to do with men having more interest/higher propensity of starting young which is where most grandmasters begin their journey, but still an interesting thing to consider nonetheless.

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This also bans cis women with genetic anomalies. Until men with genetic anomalies are equally banned from sports (for example, being an outlier in height for basketball), this is nothing more than a misogynist attempt to make women’s sport as unimpressive and average as possible. Rules set by mostly old men of course. Remember, sport is and has always been about statistical outliers competing. Fairness has never been…

Why should open divisions not work that way? They're meant to determine who's the best, regardless of sex or gender.

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This also bans cis women with genetic anomalies. Until men with genetic anomalies are equally banned from sports (for example, being an outlier in height for basketball), this is nothing more than a misogynist attempt to make women’s sport as unimpressive and average as possible. Rules set by mostly old men of course. Remember, sport is and has always been about statistical outliers competing. Fairness has never been…

>>>> This also bans cis women with genetic anomalies. What are those? fwiw - I don't think they should be included in the ban. Genetic advantage people in their natural gender is how sports works. I'm 5'7" - Lebron definitely has a genetic advantage over me. Banning him from basketball isn't doing anyone favors.

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Exactly. It's impossible to have both inclusion and fair play. We have to pick one, and as a parent of daughters who compete at fairly high levels it's more important to preserve the integrity of women's sports.

Is there not an option to have inclusion at grassroots level and fair play as the level of competition gets higher?

It’s not even a level thing[0]. I think the physical advantages that come with male puberty are significant even at 14-15.

https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/a-dallas-fc-under-15-b...

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The article already covered it: It's minimally invasive (cheek swab) testing typically for the SRY gene - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex-determining_region_Y_prote... This is less invasive than all of the other doping tests that athletes already go through, which require blood draws.

Doesn’t really work though - and given athletes are on the edge of performance there’s probably more people that fall in between than you might expect From the Wikipedia article: While the presence or absence of SRY has generally determined whether or not testis development occurs, it has been suggested that there are other factors that affect the functionality of SRY.[25] Therefore, there are individuals who have th…

The test is used for initial screening only.

Presence of SRY in an athlete registered as female means further tests must be undertaken, with permission of the athlete, to determine eligibility.

Absence of SRY means the screening is passed and the athlete is eligible to compete.

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This also bans cis women with genetic anomalies. Until men with genetic anomalies are equally banned from sports (for example, being an outlier in height for basketball), this is nothing more than a misogynist attempt to make women’s sport as unimpressive and average as possible. Rules set by mostly old men of course. Remember, sport is and has always been about statistical outliers competing. Fairness has never been…

Men who supplement testosterone are already banned if caught.

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Transition changes biology. We don't yet have the technology to fully reverse the effects of male puberty, so there can be reasonable debate about trans women who transitioned after puberty, but early transitioners have no meaningful advantage. Their bodies, in an athletic context, are female. This is also true for many cisgender intersex women with XY chromosomes. Someone with androgen insensitivity can have XY chro…

There are athletic sex differences even amongst prepubescent children, mostly caused by the testosterone surge in utero.

See https://womenssportspolicy.org/pre-puberty-male-female-child....

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I wish people would care a lot less about sports.

I always sort of speculated that sports existed to channel what would otherwise be human tendencies toward violence; an outlet enablining more stable civilization. Even though I largely ignore sports, I appreciate it over possible alternatives.

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If you segregate by sex alone then trans men get a big advantage.

The rulings do not mean they now segregate by sex alone. Someone who was AFAB and does not have an SRY gene would was taking HRT would not qualify for the female division due to the HRT.

A trans man who was not taking HRT could compete, though.

The key distinction is that gender identity is not what's being tested.

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