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Olympic Committee bars transgender athletes from women’s events

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Re: Olympic Committee bars transgender athletes from women’s events

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Post by asterix_pano »

lux-lux-lux wrote: post #229
barrance wrote: post #215

Headline is inaccurate. Transgender athletes are not barred from women's events. Female athletes who identify as men, or otherwise do not identify as women, can still compete in this category, as they have been doing already. What the IOC's new policy actually does is make male athletes ineligible for competition in the female category, with very few exceptions. These exceptions are for athletes who are technically m…

Transgender women aren’t ’male athletes’

Why not? Aren't you mixing gender and sex?

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Post by svzn »

cj wrote: post #204
Dylan16807 wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you segregate by sex alone then trans men get a big advantage.

Because they're taking testosterone? Wouldn't they be barred based on using banned substances?

They're not all taking banned substances. Case in point, Hergie Bacyadan and Elis Lundholm competed in the last Summer and Winter Olympics respectively.

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Post by Aurornis »

loteck wrote: post #227

I wish people would care a lot less about sports.

I actually wish non-sports people would care less about sports, too.

Because the decisions should be left to those of us playing the sports. Not bystanders trying to impose their own agendas on to activities they don't even participate in.

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Post by Philadelphia »

themgt wrote: post #233
tdb7893 wrote: post #21

Trans women have competed as women in the Olympics once ever and have 0 medals. By the numbers it's a non issue under previous rules (despite the incredible amount of ink spilled over it). People are talking about trans women here but the vast majority of people affected by this change are women who are not trans who have a "disorder of sexual development".

The IOC policy is specifically that athletes need to test negative for the SRY gene to be eligible to compete in the female category. Imane Khelif won gold in the 2024 Summer Olympics women's boxing event, and has since admitted to having the SRY gene. So it isn't a non-issue. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imane_Khelif#2026

The page you link to doesn’t say that. “As of February 2026, Khelif had not described herself as intersex or as having a DSD.”

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Post by decimalenough »

albertgoeswoof wrote: post #236
Aurornis wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article already covered it: It's minimally invasive (cheek swab) testing typically for the SRY gene - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex-determining_region_Y_prote... This is less invasive than all of the other doping tests that athletes already go through, which require blood draws.

Doesn’t really work though - and given athletes are on the edge of performance there’s probably more people that fall in between than you might expect From the Wikipedia article: While the presence or absence of SRY has generally determined whether or not testis development occurs, it has been suggested that there are other factors that affect the functionality of SRY.[25] Therefore, there are individuals who have th…

In a word: so? Intersex people exist, you have to draw the line somewhere, the presence of SRY seems as good as any.

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Post by baumy »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #231
trickyager wrote: post #189

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I think you're falling for Sticker Swap Fallacy. The goal is to have fair match-ups in sports. Gender and sex are two possible labels to use to assist with this, but they're imperfect enough that we probably ought to not use them as the primary differentiator. https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/C7LcpRtrHiKJRoAEp/sticker-sh...

The solution is simple: class every sport like boxing. Pick a sports-relevant metric and split into divisions. Some sports will naturally fall into gendered divisions, while others will have varying degrees of co-ed competition among competitors of similar ability. The way out of this is not to pick a better scissor of sex or gender, it's to pick a better scissor of ability.

This "solution" can really only be proposed by someone who has not played sports. This would simply result in women being unable to compete in sports professionally, outside of a couple small niches like ultra long distance swimming and a couple sub-disciplines of gymnastics.

I do not consider that to be a good thing.

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Post by generj »

lelanthran wrote: post #148
altruios wrote: post #128

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Is there actually an advantage? that's toted. but no one can ever point to real data about it... and all the data suggests the exact opposite... that for most cases: cis-women out-compete trans-women.

> but no one can ever point to real data about it... It's in the article. You may not agree with their findings, but it's there.

It’s not in the article.

They list their findings but no data. They effectively are just issuing an opinion. The opinion may be more considered than the rest of ours, but it’s not data.

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Post by noncoml »

hananova wrote: post #240

This also bans cis women with genetic anomalies. Until men with genetic anomalies are equally banned from sports (for example, being an outlier in height for basketball), this is nothing more than a misogynist attempt to make women’s sport as unimpressive and average as possible. Rules set by mostly old men of course. Remember, sport is and has always been about statistical outliers competing. Fairness has never been…

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Post by Dylan16807 »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #230
Dylan16807 wrote: post #220

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Being inclusive seems to be a big part of their mission.

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They don't seem to have a page directly talking about goals, but look at their front page. Specifically the section at the bottom talking about community stuff, which also has prominent links in the top bar.

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Post by Aurornis »

albertgoeswoof wrote: post #236
Aurornis wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article already covered it: It's minimally invasive (cheek swab) testing typically for the SRY gene - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex-determining_region_Y_prote... This is less invasive than all of the other doping tests that athletes already go through, which require blood draws.

Doesn’t really work though - and given athletes are on the edge of performance there’s probably more people that fall in between than you might expect From the Wikipedia article: While the presence or absence of SRY has generally determined whether or not testis development occurs, it has been suggested that there are other factors that affect the functionality of SRY.[25] Therefore, there are individuals who have th…

The IOC included exceptions for certain DSDs.

Please read the linked articles first before jumping to Wikipedia to try to counter them. The decision is more nuanced than you assume

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