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Olympic Committee bars transgender athletes from women’s events

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Post by cgh »

eirini1 wrote: post #92

what always strikes me as weird is how often the conversation is framed around "men competing in women's sports" when trans women cant really be said to be biologically male anymore. Taking Estrogen and blocking testosterone has a huge effect on how fast/strong/athletic someone is. I feel like that should be the key point of discussion, but somehow always gets burried under other, kind of less relevant subjects (for…

Testosterone and estrogen are not magic substances that eliminate bone density, preponderance of type II muscle fibres, favourable tendon insertions and all of the other athletic advantages conferred upon males in the womb. I have experience with women who take steroids for strength sports and I am not exaggerating when I say they could be out-competed by 17 year old male high school students with proper coaching.

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greygoo222 wrote: post #219
cmiles8 wrote: post #159

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Transition changes biology. We don't yet have the technology to fully reverse the effects of male puberty, so there can be reasonable debate about trans women who transitioned after puberty, but early transitioners have no meaningful advantage. Their bodies, in an athletic context, are female. This is also true for many cisgender intersex women with XY chromosomes. Someone with androgen insensitivity can have XY chro…

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Post by hokkos »

r053bud wrote: post #188
cmiles8 wrote: post #159

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Walk me through how you think this is going to be enforced? Athletes will need to start dropping their pants? Disgusting invasion of privacy.

You think Olympic athletes have any expectation of privacy around drug testing already? They have to register their every move and piss while being visible on demand.

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Post by enragedcacti »

EA-3167 wrote: post #198
lynndotpy wrote: post #150

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This might be true if the Olympics were exclusively classifying the 23rd chromosomes, and nothing but. Leave aside the fact that very few of us here have actually tested our 23rd chromosome. Historically, the Olympics have not been (and are not) strictly chromosomal. The 2023 testosterone suppression decision requirements has exclusively impacted cis women, for one example. Humans are biologically dimorphic in the sa…

I would say that humans are sexually dimorphic in the same way that humans are bipeds. if you attempted to make a serious argument that limb agenesis implies that we’re a variable-limbed species it would be obfuscating rather than illuminating.

99.8% of all matter by count is either hydrogen or helium, are atoms dimorphic?

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Post by mbStavola »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #196
nslsm wrote: post #138

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Games_Done_Quick

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Would it?

It's the most popular event for speedrunning and has raised millions of dollars each year for over a decade. Sounds like they're doing just fine as is and, perhaps, fostering an inclusive environment which explicitly protects people demonized by society at large has only helped, not hurt.

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Post by Aurornis »

n4r9 wrote: post #216
nradov wrote: post #166

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Exactly. It's impossible to have both inclusion and fair play. We have to pick one, and as a parent of daughters who compete at fairly high levels it's more important to preserve the integrity of women's sports.

Is there not an option to have inclusion at grassroots level and fair play as the level of competition gets higher?

In my experience competing in different things, that's typical: Local organizations are free to set their own local rules, but once you cross over into events that make you eligible for higher level competition they have to strictly abide by the national level rules. I couldn't use my results from grassroots competitions to qualify for national level events, generally.

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Post by ToucanLoucan »

cmiles8 wrote: post #202
r053bud wrote: post #188

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Walk me through how you think this is going to be enforced? Athletes will need to start dropping their pants? Disgusting invasion of privacy.

The article addresses that. Given all the testing already, this is a trivial addition: “Under the new policy eligibility will be determined by a one-time gene test, according to the I.O.C. The test, which is already being used in track and field, requires screening via saliva, a cheek swab or a blood sample.“

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Post by barrance »

lux-lux-lux wrote: post #229
barrance wrote: post #215

Headline is inaccurate. Transgender athletes are not barred from women's events. Female athletes who identify as men, or otherwise do not identify as women, can still compete in this category, as they have been doing already. What the IOC's new policy actually does is make male athletes ineligible for competition in the female category, with very few exceptions. These exceptions are for athletes who are technically m…

Transgender women aren’t ’male athletes’

Why do you believe that?
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