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Olympic Committee bars transgender athletes from women’s events

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Re: Olympic Committee bars transgender athletes from women’s events

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It's clear how insane this culture war against trans people is when you consider this only applies to trans women and not trans men? Also, so many of these anti-trans efforts end up hurting cis women too, the ones who happen to look too masculine or have too high of testosterone. Gender is not as straightforward as bigots and transphobes would like to think. I wonder how many cis women will be affected by this ruling…

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Re: Olympic Committee bars transgender athletes from women’s events

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It's clear how insane this culture war against trans people is when you consider this only applies to trans women and not trans men? Also, so many of these anti-trans efforts end up hurting cis women too, the ones who happen to look too masculine or have too high of testosterone. Gender is not as straightforward as bigots and transphobes would like to think. I wonder how many cis women will be affected by this ruling…

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> There's no "culture war against trans people".

At best this is willful ignorance. By many measures, there is an active persistent march towards a Denial of Identity genocide against transgender folks in the US and other countries.

https://lemkininstitute.com/so/e2PpT6aRi

Re: Olympic Committee bars transgender athletes from women’s events

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I always thought the more elegant approach to all of this was to add a mixed sex league. Keep the traditions, add a novel new one, and let people consent to who they want to compete against and watch

That already exists. That’s the men’s category. There are no rules forbidding women from competing in men’s categories at Olympic events.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A mid-tier male athletic transitions, and then blows the female record out of the water and gets gold. Do you have an example of this happening?

Lia Thomas. Why are all these innocent questioners asking for more evidence not familiar with the existence of the evidence they are asking for? Considering they feel so strongly about it, they should already have seen all this.

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It's gonna get buried, but petesergeant had a good comment sharing this article. They are also banning females from female sports as well with this ruling. https://www.olympics.com/en/news/semenya-niyonsaba-wambui-wh...

Caster Semenya is XY with a DSD (5-ARD), and absolutely should not compete with females. The same goes for Imane Khelif who was the same DSD.

People with this condition have internal testes, a male level of testosterone, and a male level of muscle development. That a doctor assigned them female at birth and put a F on the birth certificate does not change this.

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Walk me through how you think this is going to be enforced? Athletes will need to start dropping their pants? Disgusting invasion of privacy.

The article already covered it: It's minimally invasive (cheek swab) testing typically for the SRY gene - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex-determining_region_Y_prote...

This is less invasive than all of the other doping tests that athletes already go through, which require blood draws.

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> It's clear how insane this culture war against trans people is when you consider this only applies to trans women and not trans men? In most sports, the "mens" division is actually an open division that accepts all participants regardless of sex. Women just don't compete in it because they have no shot at getting a decent placement. The fact that males and females can't fairly compete with each other is the raison…

Fun fact: "open divisions" only last as long as men are winning them. Women often outshoot men, and after Shan Zhang's win they were siloed into their own division.

> Fun fact: "open divisions" only last as long as men are winning them. Women often outshoot men, and after Shan Zhang's win they were siloed into their own division.

That decision was made before her win.

> the International Shooting Union, at a meeting in April of 1992, and therefore ahead of the Games, elected to bar women from shooting against men in future events.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/2753773/2021/08/05/in-tokyo...>

Re: Olympic Committee bars transgender athletes from women’s events

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Headline is inaccurate. Transgender athletes are not barred from women's events. Female athletes who identify as men, or otherwise do not identify as women, can still compete in this category, as they have been doing already. What the IOC's new policy actually does is make male athletes ineligible for competition in the female category, with very few exceptions. These exceptions are for athletes who are technically m…

Transgender women aren’t ’male athletes’
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