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Olympic Committee bars transgender athletes from women’s events

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Re: Olympic Committee bars transgender athletes from women’s events

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Post by MengerSponge »

snackbroken wrote: post #111
LetsGetTechnicl wrote: post #35

It's clear how insane this culture war against trans people is when you consider this only applies to trans women and not trans men? Also, so many of these anti-trans efforts end up hurting cis women too, the ones who happen to look too masculine or have too high of testosterone. Gender is not as straightforward as bigots and transphobes would like to think. I wonder how many cis women will be affected by this ruling…

> It's clear how insane this culture war against trans people is when you consider this only applies to trans women and not trans men? In most sports, the "mens" division is actually an open division that accepts all participants regardless of sex. Women just don't compete in it because they have no shot at getting a decent placement. The fact that males and females can't fairly compete with each other is the raison…

Fun fact: "open divisions" only last as long as men are winning them. Women often outshoot men, and after Shan Zhang's win they were siloed into their own division.

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Post by mech998877 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #65
reillyse wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem for this argument is that there is no actual data that trans kids and specifically trans girls are any better at sport than other girls. Literally no trans athletes winning anything. I think hacker news skews scientific so we can do the math, if say 1% of the athletes are trans we would expect them to win 1% of the medals in a fair contest. As it is, they don't even come anywhere close. There has not been…

> The problem for this argument is that there is no actual data that trans kids and specifically trans girls are any better at sport than other girls. There is considerable evidence that they aren't. But that's not really relevant, because you have to remember segregation in sport has never been about competitive fairness , it has always been about allowing those who are socially superior to avoid the embarrassment o…

There is considerable evidence that trans girls and women have a competitive advantage over women in many sports.

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Post by generj »

lelanthran wrote: post #118
happymellon wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering I was asking whether there was evidence on trans-performance, sure it matters a little. That's fine if they don't want to compete with men, but the statements were because "it's unfair". I was curious if there had been any studies on this.

> Considering I was asking whether there was evidence on trans-performance, sure it matters a little. Well, (and I hesitate to say this because of HN guidelines, but) it was in the article, which I assumed you read. It was this assumption that made me think you wanted evidence that it is women who are complaining about competing against men. FTFA > Late last year Dr. Jane Thornton, the I.O.C.’s medical and scientific…

There’s probably a reason the analysis has not been made public.

It’s not evidence until published because it can’t be disputed.

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Post by bpodgursky »

harveychess wrote: post #124
lewdev wrote: post #98

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Is it fair to say that they can just compete in the men's division?

It would not be fair, because the point of having divisions is allow women to compete in a competition that is not dominated by men.

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Post by generj »

lelanthran wrote: post #132
beachWholesaleS wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source?

From the article: > Late last year Dr. Jane Thornton, the I.O.C.’s medical and scientific director and a Canadian former Olympic rower, presented the initial findings of a review of athletes who are transgender or have differences of sexual development, known as DSD, and are competing in women’s sports. That analysis, which has not been made public, stated athletes born with male sexual markers retained physical adva…

> That analysis, which has not been made public

So much for science.

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Post by brendoelfrendo »

everdrive wrote: post #140
happymellon wrote: post #9

Has anyone measured trans athletes performance? I see this topic come up repeatedly in different guises, protect women from the evil trans-agenda. But I haven't seen where this is actually a problem. Do trans-athletes regularly out perform "born as" (not sure the best way to phrase it) athletes?

Certainly some of the high profile cases have been fairly absurd. A mid-tier male athletic transitions, and then blows the female record out of the water and gets gold. What I don't know is whether there are wider stats rather than some really big notable cases. It wouldn't surprise me, I just don't have the facts at the moment.

> A mid-tier male athletic transitions, and then blows the female record out of the water and gets gold.

Do you have an example of this happening?

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Post by rolymath »

harveychess wrote: post #124
lewdev wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it fair to say that they can just compete in the men's division?

It would not be fair, because the point of having divisions is allow women to compete in a competition that is not dominated by men.

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