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Re: Moving from GitHub to Codeberg, for lazy people

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Post by jrudolph »

kevinfiol wrote: post #146
frevib wrote: post #106

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OP is about Github. Have you seen the Github uptime monitor? It’s at 90% [1] for the last 90 days. I use both Codeberg and Github a lot and Github has, by far, more problems than Codeberg. Sometimes I notice slowdowns on Codeberg, but that’s it. [1] https://mrshu.github.io/github-statuses/

To be fair, Github has several magnitudes higher of users running on it than Codeberg. I'm also a Codeberg user, but I don't think anyone has seen a Forgejo/Gitea instance working at the scale of Github yet.

To be fair, GitHub has several magnitudes higher of revenue to support that. Including from companies like mine who are paying them good money and get absolutely sub-par service and reliability from them. I'd be happy for Codeberg to take my money for a better service on the core feature set (git hosting, PRs, issues). I can take my CI/CD elsewhere, we self-host runners anyway.

Re: Moving from GitHub to Codeberg, for lazy people

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Post by andybak »

goku12 wrote: post #156
LinXitoW wrote: post #126

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Considering that "the community" is now filled with vibe coding slop pull requesters, and non-coders bitching in issues, the filter that not-github provides becomes better and better. Of course, that mostly goes for projects big enough to already have an indepedent community.

Not to contradict you, but there's another important aspect to 'community' besides the bad contributors and the entitled complainers. That's discoverability. How do you discover a project that may be hosted anywhere on the dozens of independent forges out there? Searching each one individually is not a viable proposition. The search often ends on the biggest platform - Github. I'm not trying defend github here. The l…

Ideally this should be something search engines handle - but they do a poor job in specialised areas like code repos.

It's helpful to have a github mirror of your "real" repo (or even just a stub pointing to the real repo if you object to github strongly enough that mirroring there is objectionable to you).

One day maybe there will be an aggregator that indexes repos hosted anywhere. But in many ways that will be back to the square one - a single point of failure.

The Fediverse seems to dislike global search. Or is that just a mastodon thing?

Re: Moving from GitHub to Codeberg, for lazy people

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Post by Eldt »

marginalia_nu wrote: post #64
kjuulh wrote: post #20

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My own git server has been hit severely by scrapers. They're scraping everything . Commits, comparisons between commits, api calls for files, everything. And pretty much all of them, ByteDance, OpenAI, AWS, Claude, various I couldn't recognize. I basically just had to block all of them to get reasonable performance for a server running on a mini-pc. I was going to move to codeberg at some point, but they had downtime…

Anyone actually scraping git repos would probably just do a 'git clone'. Crawling git hosts is extremely expensive, as git servers have always been inadvertent crawler traps. They generate a URL for every version of every file on every commit and every branch and tag, and if that wasn't enough, n(n+1)/2 git diffs for every file on every commit it has exited on. Even a relatively small git repo with a few hundred file…

How probable is your "probably"?

Re: Moving from GitHub to Codeberg, for lazy people

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Post by apetresc »

kevinfiol wrote: post #146
frevib wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP is about Github. Have you seen the Github uptime monitor? It’s at 90% [1] for the last 90 days. I use both Codeberg and Github a lot and Github has, by far, more problems than Codeberg. Sometimes I notice slowdowns on Codeberg, but that’s it. [1] https://mrshu.github.io/github-statuses/

To be fair, Github has several magnitudes higher of users running on it than Codeberg. I'm also a Codeberg user, but I don't think anyone has seen a Forgejo/Gitea instance working at the scale of Github yet.

I don't think OP was making a value judgment or anything. It's just weird to say you won't consider Codeberg because you need reliability when Codeberg's uptime is at 100% and Github's is at 90%.

Re: Moving from GitHub to Codeberg, for lazy people

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Post by freedomben »

dspillett wrote: post #122
freedomben wrote: post #17

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I've had the same experience. Philosophically I think it's terrible that Cloudflare has become a middleman in a huge and important swath of the internet. As a user, it largely makes my life much worse. It limits my browser, my ability to protect myself via VPNs, etc, and I am just browsing normally, not attacking anything. Pragmatically though, as a webmaster/admin/whatever you want to call it nowadays, Cloudflare is…

> and use robots.txt as a guide of what to crawl rather than what not to crawl Mental note, make sure my robots.txt files contain a few references to slowly returning pages full of almost nonsense that link back to each other endlessly… Not complete nonsense, that would be reasonably easy to detect and ignore. Perhaps repeats of your other content with every 5th word swapped with a random one from elsewhere in the co…

Hot damn, this is a great idea! Reminds me fondly of an old project a friend and I built that looks like an SSH prompt or optionally an unauthed telnet listener, which looks and feels enough like a real shell that we would capture some pretty fascinating sessions of people trying to explore our system or load us with malware. Eventually somebody figured it out and then DDoSed the hell out of our stuff and would not stop hassling us. It was a good reminder that yanking people's chains sometimes really pisses them off and can attract attention and grudges that you really don't want. My friend ended up retiring his domain because he got tired of dealing with the special attention. It did allow us to capture some pretty fascinating data though that actually improved our security while it lasted.

Re: Moving from GitHub to Codeberg, for lazy people

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Post by finnjohnsen2 »

asim wrote: post #81

Why? I want to understand why? Out of principle? I think some services just end up becoming foundational and we need to move on to other things for other things e.g if we're going to replace GitHub it's because we're creating new habits. Not because we're replacing like for like. That never works. What is a new code hosting platform offering. You know what, pair it with some app dev and great, now you've got somethin…

Geopolitics is a reason. Many individuals and companies are scrambling for safe alternatives to US tech. I live in Norway and there is a lot of this going on.

Re: Moving from GitHub to Codeberg, for lazy people

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Post by mrbluecoat »

fhennig wrote: post #42
mrbluecoat wrote: post #15

Is there a "Moving open source search from GitHub to XYZ, for lazy people"? When I'm looking for solutions to problems that open source might be able to solve, I find the fracturing of code hosting platforms an annoyance.

Can you elaborate what the problem is? IMO hosting and search are quite decoupled, why not just search for "open source solution to problem XYZ" in your favorite search engine?

I specifically like the filtering to say "permissive license in Go language"

Re: Moving from GitHub to Codeberg, for lazy people

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Post by JuniperMesos »

ronsor wrote: post #112

The truth is that I publish OSS projects on GitHub because that's where the community is, and the issues/pull requests/discussions are a bonus. If I just want to host my code, I can self host or use an SSH/SFTP server as a git remote, and that's usually what I do.

In particular a number of other projects assume that you have a GitHub account. https://github.com/rust-lang/crates.io/issues/326 has been open for literally a decade without any meaningful work. If you want to publish a Lean software packages on Reservoir, the official Lean package registry, their requirements (https://reservoir.lean-lang.org/inclusion-criteria) not only specify a GitHub project specifically, but having at least two stars on GitHub as a "basic quality filter". Microsoft is a big funder of Lean and I can't help but think this is a deliberate restriction to increase lock-in on a Microsoft-owned platform.

Re: Moving from GitHub to Codeberg, for lazy people

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Post by [deleted] »

enraged_camel wrote: post #117
noirscape wrote: post #59

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From their FAQ: > If you do not contribute to free/libre software (or if it is limited to your personal homepage) , and we feel like you only abuse Codeberg for storing your commercial projects or media backups, we might get unhappy about that. Emphasis mine. This isn't about if it's technically possible (it certainly is), it's whether or not it's allowed by their platform policies. Their page publishing feature seem…

That FAQ snippet is insane to me. Maybe it's a cultural thing but I'd never do business with a company that has implicit threats in their ToS based on something so completely arbitrary.

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Re: Moving from GitHub to Codeberg, for lazy people

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Post by JuniperMesos »

ponkpanda wrote: post #34

Repo hosting is the kind of thing that ought to be distributed/federated. The underlying protocol (git) already has the cryptographic primitives that decouples trust in the commit tree (GPG or SSH signing) with trust in the storage service (i.e. github/codeberg/whatever). All you need to house centrally is some SSH and/or gpg key server and some means of managing namespaces which would benefit from federation as well…

https://radicle.xyz/ is a project aiming to do exactly this.
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