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Interoperability Can Save the Open Web (2023)

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Re: Interoperability Can Save the Open Web (2023)

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Post by taeric »

skywal_l wrote: post #7
sixothree wrote: post #5

If you look at the healthcare space, you will realize interoperability only exists because it was mandated by government programs that the patient owns their data and must be provided timely access to all of that data; and also defines specifies the format of that data (open source definitions). You might also define "exists" in some sort of way that makes sense. And you can also realize that payers are encroaching o…

It was mandated because, in some cases, getting data from the patient is actually harmful. A CT scan is not benign. So to ensure that CT scans from manufacturer A could be read on a review station of manufacturer B, the DICOM standard was created. But there is a real health element to it. Although I perfectly agree that standards are good for the consumer, the incentives here are not as strong.

There are also similarly a lot of controls mandated on who they cannot give the data to. It isn't like health records are an open free for all.

Re: Interoperability Can Save the Open Web (2023)

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Post by fsflover »

renegat0x0 wrote: post #6

I am nobody. I have little impact. I want my programs to be safe from government intrusions, from age checks, from encryption backdoors, from corporate surveillance. How do I win this battle with big tech? I am deeply in self-host. For the self-host to succeed it needs to be better, unregulated, and free. It needs to be easily distributed. The data should be easily distributed. Import and export should be fast and ea…

> How do I win this battle with big tech?

Support https://edri.org and https://noyb.eu

Re: Interoperability Can Save the Open Web (2023)

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Post by L_Rahman »

One of the things we got really lucky with is that Claude Code and not the ChatGPT app won the war for the defining AI product and it runs on your filesystem. There's a different reality where everything had to go through the API on a closed app layer and we're all begging OpenAI to add XYZ endpoint to their platform.

Anthropic is now racing to close this gap because they realize there's no lock-in. If the product is just .md files with hierarchy, you can drop any harness and intelligence on top of it. It is interoperable by default, possibly not even by intention.

We should do everything possible to stop the great lock-in that they'll attempt in the next 18 months.

Re: Interoperability Can Save the Open Web (2023)

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Post by hermitShell »

renegat0x0 wrote: post #6

I am nobody. I have little impact. I want my programs to be safe from government intrusions, from age checks, from encryption backdoors, from corporate surveillance. How do I win this battle with big tech? I am deeply in self-host. For the self-host to succeed it needs to be better, unregulated, and free. It needs to be easily distributed. The data should be easily distributed. Import and export should be fast and ea…

What do you think of the pace of hardware level freedoms? My context is also from Corey Doctorow: https://youtu.be/3C1Gnxhfok0?si=RjmADE5pQ3s7fBIk

For me the freedom to own my computer means I can run any software I want on it.

Self hosting is predicated on some openness of computing in general. Interestingly it still does not practically allow you to use certain services like Google Maps, where even if the end user has great benefit, they get it for free because they give back their data.

Re: Interoperability Can Save the Open Web (2023)

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Post by beeflet »

hermitShell wrote: post #14
renegat0x0 wrote: post #6

I am nobody. I have little impact. I want my programs to be safe from government intrusions, from age checks, from encryption backdoors, from corporate surveillance. How do I win this battle with big tech? I am deeply in self-host. For the self-host to succeed it needs to be better, unregulated, and free. It needs to be easily distributed. The data should be easily distributed. Import and export should be fast and ea…

What do you think of the pace of hardware level freedoms? My context is also from Corey Doctorow: https://youtu.be/3C1Gnxhfok0?si=RjmADE5pQ3s7fBIk For me the freedom to own my computer means I can run any software I want on it. Self hosting is predicated on some openness of computing in general. Interestingly it still does not practically allow you to use certain services like Google Maps, where even if the end user…

There are the openstreetmap mapping apps (OSMand, organic maps)

Re: Interoperability Can Save the Open Web (2023)

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Post by beeflet »

embedding-shape wrote: post #8
renegat0x0 wrote: post #6

I am nobody. I have little impact. I want my programs to be safe from government intrusions, from age checks, from encryption backdoors, from corporate surveillance. How do I win this battle with big tech? I am deeply in self-host. For the self-host to succeed it needs to be better, unregulated, and free. It needs to be easily distributed. The data should be easily distributed. Import and export should be fast and ea…

> I am nobody. I have little impact. I want my programs to be safe from government intrusions, from age checks, from encryption backdoors, from corporate surveillance. How do I win this battle with big tech? If you're only talking specifically about your program that no one else has access to, I don't think there is any battle? Do whatever you want, no one cares nor would even know about it. If you're talking about m…

Anyone will be able to lob legal complaints against your self-hosted mastodon instance if they don't like you, which will bring cops to your door like milkshake brings boys to the yard.

Re: Interoperability Can Save the Open Web (2023)

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Post by taeric »

freedomben wrote: post #10
embedding-shape wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I am nobody. I have little impact. I want my programs to be safe from government intrusions, from age checks, from encryption backdoors, from corporate surveillance. How do I win this battle with big tech? If you're only talking specifically about your program that no one else has access to, I don't think there is any battle? Do whatever you want, no one cares nor would even know about it. If you're talking about m…

In a world where big tech and governments are requiring user-facing things to do things (like age verification, etc) and be liable for what their users do with it, even the self-host becomes a problem unless you are your only user. There are plenty of people that are still doing it, but they're probably taking on liability they don't realize. For example if I stand up a self-hosted git forge and allow others to use i…

I mean, this is the case for a lot of things? Has always been the case.

If you host friends over for dinner at your house a lot, nobody will ever say you are subject to the same rules as a restaurant. You start letting other people host dinners at your house, and things could change. You start letting people solicit your place for paid dinners, similar outcome. Do it once, nobody will probably know or care. Continue to do it at scale, though, and I don't know why you would expect to not be subject to regulations.

Re: Interoperability Can Save the Open Web (2023)

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Post by fsflover »

beeflet wrote: post #16
hermitShell wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you think of the pace of hardware level freedoms? My context is also from Corey Doctorow: https://youtu.be/3C1Gnxhfok0?si=RjmADE5pQ3s7fBIk For me the freedom to own my computer means I can run any software I want on it. Self hosting is predicated on some openness of computing in general. Interestingly it still does not practically allow you to use certain services like Google Maps, where even if the end user…

There are the openstreetmap mapping apps (OSMand, organic maps)

Organic maps should be used instead of OSMand, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42343121

Or maybe Comaps, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43961908

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