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Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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Nah it's good. It shows exactly how far you can get with just a modest understanding of what strategy actually is at the level of nation states plus publicly available facts from the news. Especially in the heavily jingoistic american context, where all of the focus is implicitly on the military means and technology and execution, but people have lost sight of, maybe can not even state plainly, what the point of a mi…

It doesn't even consider potential primary objectives, especially when viewed alongside the recent actions in Venezuela: 1. If US was to replace Iran as the one to control exports of oil through the strait, then thos would gain huge leverage on China via control of energy exports from Iran, Middle East more generally, as they have already done in Venezuela. 2. Making it clear that partnership with Russia and China wi…

If I understand correctly, I see all your points as potential rewards.

These rewards are useful to the US if they accomplish regime change to a friendly regime or at least military occupation of a good strip of land.

The article is about how these two preconditions for obtaining the rewards are unlikely to be fulfilled and, at the same time, non-accomplishment might achieve the opposite:

- Iran (and by necessity, other Gulf states if they want to export oil) align more with China

- US-partnership will not provide security (Arab states, South Korea and other allies are now less secure and the US can't protect them)

- US and allies are in a worse position to secure South America

Huge risk with little chances of a reward. That's the article.

Modifying the rewards does not change the game unless the probability of obtaining them increases or that of the risks decreases.

Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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Something the author didn't mention: what about building more pipelines to bypass the strait? If this war really cost 2B$ per day, why not allocate some of that money to finance pipelines across the gulf states? Might be worth it long term, especially if Iran plans to permanently impose a toll.

The problem is that Iran has the Houthi's in Yemen. And they're within missile/bombing range of the current pipeline.

Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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No one seems to discuss the worst case scenario for this war. In the best/average case the world takes an economic hit. But I can think of one really big black swan event which no one seems to even consider (except Nassim Taleb). This war could trigger regime collapses all over the Arab world and put populist leaders in charge who rise to power on the basis of Gaza genocide fury. That would be catastrophic to Israel:…

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Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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> Iran has made it quite clear that it is not up to the aggressors as to when this ends Israel and the U.S. can absolutely end the war and leave a turd in the Gulf states' mess kits. The former would focus on Hezbollah. The latter start laying into Cuba or whatever.

They can try. I don't think they'll like the consequences. Imagine if Saudi Arabia decides it's not friends with the US anymore and won't send any more oil here. That'll shake things up a bit, won't it? And Iran will be even more pissed off and determined to get a nuke than before, probably still choking the strait. You're talking about the US and Israel leaving the biggest, most obvious turd in history on the entire…

Oil is a fungible commodity.

Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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I think this analysis is missing the big picture. (1) reducing oil shipments to China is good posturing for the US; hence Venezuela and Iran ahead of 2028. These are shaping operations. China suffers more from these conflicts than the US. (2) Iran isn't the only one who can control passage throught the strait. All gulf countries can do so. If Iran can cheaply cut off passage, so can Saudi Arabia and UAE and everyone…

The tl;dr here is, with all due respect, that your premises are basically all wrong. > (1) reducing oil shipments to China is good posturing for the US No, it isn't. For several reasons: 1. China has stockpiled ~1.4 billion barrels of oil. it'a net importer. Supplies from Russia aren't disrupted. At present, Iranian oil is still gointg to China; 2. China is rapidly decreasing its dependence on fossil fuels with renew…

China's built strategy suggests they want to invade Taiwan. What else are those bridge barges for?

And yeah, it's a dumb idea, but Taiwan, unification in general, seems to be one of the handful of things China can't quite manage to be rational about. They didn't have to grab Hong Kong ahead of time either.

Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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Joe Kent [1] offered a possible way out of this - however slim the odds might be. Trump's one quality that may save us all from this quagmire is his ability to do a complete 180 on his previous committed path - "TACO" as his detractors like to call it. Like he did with ICE in Minneapolis, or in Yemen last year when he quit his bombing campaign after one month. If he could be convinced to just declare victory over Ira…

> Trump's one quality that may save us all from this quagmire is his ability to do a complete 180 on his previous committed path - "TACO" as his detractors like to call it. If you haven't been paying attention, Trump has declared victory and called it quits roughly every other day for the past several weeks. It hasn't stuck, principally because Iran is the main actor that can decide whether or not to call it quits, a…

He's declared victory, but obviously hasn't called it quits because the bombs are still falling.

Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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Similar complaints from Trump the other day “So, it’s it’s uh little unfair. You know, you win a war, but they have no right to be doing what they’re doing.” https://x.com/ME_Observer_/status/2033768757688934424

Wow! He is saying: we said that we won, but they are winning... how are they allowed to be winning when we said that we won... so unfair...

And with him saying that, millions of his followers instantly started believing it with no second thought.

Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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They can try. I don't think they'll like the consequences. Imagine if Saudi Arabia decides it's not friends with the US anymore and won't send any more oil here. That'll shake things up a bit, won't it? And Iran will be even more pissed off and determined to get a nuke than before, probably still choking the strait. You're talking about the US and Israel leaving the biggest, most obvious turd in history on the entire…

Oil is a fungible commodity.

It's not as fungible as you would hope. Funging refineries and transport capacity takes time.

Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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These days conflating criticism of israel with anti semitism is a very clear, very obvious and very reliable racist calling card. Mitch McConnell (adherent of the great replacement theory) accusing Joe Kent of anti semitism gave the accusation the same gravitas it would have if Strom Thurmond or the Grand wizard of the KKK did it. i.e. it only serves to underscore the accuser's racism.

Those days people that hate Jews claiming they're "only anti-Zionists" are being white washed while synagogues are shot at and people displaying anything Jewish are attacked on the streets in western countries. Antisemitism is at all times high. And not the "critical of Israel" type of antisemitism. The "jews control the weather", "space lasers from mars" and "let's kill all of them" type of antisemitism is rampant.…

> Antisemitism is at all times high.

It's always high, or did you mean at an all time high? How does antisemitism in America today compare to Russia in the 1800s?

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