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Thoughts on slowing the fuck down

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Post by Forgeties79 »

andyferris wrote: post #320
Forgeties79 wrote: post #295

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The thing is though it all still feels so…rudderless/pointless sometimes? When digital cameras came out, it democratized filmmaking immensely . But it wasn’t just people screwing around - amazing new works of art, received positively by audiences and critics alike, exploded in number. They wound up winning film fests, garnering millions of views (and fans) online, and even on big screens world wide, almost immediatel…

Vibe coding is actually "good" for small, bespoke things. The same way that Excel is "good" for small tasks, bad bad for larger things. Too easy to make mistakes, too hard to maintain. I could equally ask - where are all the Excel workbooks that are actually _good_? No-one needs to share their Excel workbooks. They don't need 10k github stars. They just achieve some small goal of the Excel user. These LLM agents just…

I don’t care about GitHub stars. There are tons of excel workbooks and such that are useful, publicly available, and utilized.

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Post by weakened_malloc »

foobarchu wrote: post #321
HeWhoLurksLate wrote: post #237

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I have watched artists thoughtfully integrate digital lighting and the like at a scale I'd never seen before the LLMs rolled up and made it possible to get programs to work without knowing how to program. The fundamental ceiling of what an LLM can do when connected to an IDE is incredible , and orders of magnitude higher than the limits of any no-code / low-code platform conceived thus far. "Democratizing" software -…

> the low cost of $20/month? At what threshold does this stop being true? AI firms are famously hemorrhaging money and it will not last.

When the small local models catch up I would think

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Post by sidpatil »

tayo42 wrote: post #101
dec0dedab0de wrote: post #93

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I'm not even sure building software is an engineering discipline at this point. Maybe it never was. It's a craft.

Software reminds me more of construction or home contracting work then engineering. We do the actual building of things

Construction and home contracting follow building codes.

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Post by HeWhoLurksLate »

mingyeow wrote: post #322
HeWhoLurksLate wrote: post #237

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I have watched artists thoughtfully integrate digital lighting and the like at a scale I'd never seen before the LLMs rolled up and made it possible to get programs to work without knowing how to program. The fundamental ceiling of what an LLM can do when connected to an IDE is incredible , and orders of magnitude higher than the limits of any no-code / low-code platform conceived thus far. "Democratizing" software -…

“ The fundamental ceiling of what an LLM can do when connected to an IDE is incredible, and orders of magnitude higher than the limits of any no-code / low-code platform conceived thus far.” Curious on this - why?

AI Agents can write and modify base Python / C++ / Rust / whatever pretty well, and thus users aren't limited by "sorry the building blocks only go together in this one particular manner".

It's like the difference between an EZ-Bake oven and a fully furnished kitchen. The EZ-Bake oven can get some stuff done but its limits are much more severely obvious than the kitchen's, and the kitchen's first limiting factor in what can be produced is usually the human cooking in it

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Post by chr15m »

badlogic wrote: post #317
jimbokun wrote: post #218

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> “Heard joke once: Man goes to doctor. Says he's depressed. Says life seems harsh and cruel. Says he feels all alone in a threatening world where what lies ahead is vague and uncertain. Doctor says, "Treatment is simple. Great clown Pagliacci is in town tonight. Go and see him. That should pick you up." Man bursts into tears. Says, "But doctor...I am Pagliacci.” https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/141645-heard-joke-onc…

you get me

Thanks for writing this piece - devs need to hear it!

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Post by Forgeties79 »

esseph wrote: post #330
Forgeties79 wrote: post #295

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The thing is though it all still feels so…rudderless/pointless sometimes? When digital cameras came out, it democratized filmmaking immensely . But it wasn’t just people screwing around - amazing new works of art, received positively by audiences and critics alike, exploded in number. They wound up winning film fests, garnering millions of views (and fans) online, and even on big screens world wide, almost immediatel…

> Where are the vibe coded apps that are actually good? Where are the new, innovative creations built by “normal” people? Because by now you’d think we’d see them. They're busy using them. They're probably not GitHub users or HN readers. I've seen some really nice internal (business) apps made.

So we have to assume there’s good stuff being made by newbies that no one else is seeing?

I didn’t have to take it on faith that people were actually making amazing things with digital cameras. I could look at them. I could reproduce it.

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Post by alvivar »

I was reading the article, but I don't think it's possible to slow the fuck down, honestly. There are too many people who need to discover for themselves what the limits of these AI models are when they push them far.

Maybe some people have already reached that point after so much AI coding and are now warning us; they pushed so hard that they understand the limits. But this is the kind of thing you need to experience on your own.

You need to experiment, learn, test the limits, think for yourself, take as many steps back as you need.

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Post by magicmicah85 »

This entire article is basically saying "What are we doing? What's going on?" and I could not agree more. My own experience with coding agents has been FOMO cause if I don't have fifteen claude tabs running with OpenClaw, I'm not going to make it. I much prefer keeping myself in the loop and being active with the process than handing it off to deus ex machina and seeing the eventual results that may be what I like and maybe not what I like.

I do like the tips on how to work with agents for delegation. Let it do boring things. The deterministic things where you know what the result should look like each time.

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Post by apsurd »

Bolwin wrote: post #292
yourapostasy wrote: post #282

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Oh ye of little faith in the possible. We still don’t have truly transparent transference in locally-run software. Go anywhere in the world, and your locally running software tags along with precisely preserved state no matter what device you happen to be dragging along with you, with device-appropriate interfacing. We still don’t have single source documentation with lineage all the way back to the code. We still do…

It's interesting how everything you list is created problems in the tools themselves. If you step back and just look at "can this do what I wanted" without worrying about what shit storm of software makes it work. Mind you perfectionists will always have work. That doesn't mean anything.

I don't know, transportation is a solved problem: travel point A to point B.

and we wouldn't so easily balk at improvements across and label them as window dressing. Resume padding.

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Post by jimbokun »

HeWhoLurksLate wrote: post #237
jimbokun wrote: post #202

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In my lifetime software has given us: * the ability to find essentially any information ever created by anyone anywhere at anytime, * the ability to communicate with anyone on Earth over any distance instantaneously in audio, video, or text, * the ability to order any product made anywhere and have it delivered to our door in a day or two, * the ability to work with anyone across the world on shared tasks and project…

I have watched artists thoughtfully integrate digital lighting and the like at a scale I'd never seen before the LLMs rolled up and made it possible to get programs to work without knowing how to program. The fundamental ceiling of what an LLM can do when connected to an IDE is incredible , and orders of magnitude higher than the limits of any no-code / low-code platform conceived thus far. "Democratizing" software -…

Sure but maybe we’re all better off spending more time going for walks, learning to cook, playing sports , talking to friends and family, participating in spiritual communities, and making love (to other people!)
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