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The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

#81
post #55

Fun fact: the parties that want this are actually those who criticise the EU the most

Yes well, they're running out of good arguments to show how bad the EU is, so they have to force some bad decisions through so that they may have something to cry about.

God I love politics

Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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I don't think criticisms of chat-control-like legislation attempts are downvoted here?

If my experience is anything to go by the answer is 'yes':

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47412060

> The clearest example of lobbying (chat control) has repeatedly been struck down.

They can try as often as they want and they only have to win once. We - as in those who don't want this Orwellian monster to be written into law - have to win all the time.

That comment was quickly voted down. It is unclear whether this was the usual "don't like this person so I'll downvote all his last posts" or targeted at my statement on how these proposals keep on popping up no matter how often the people - in Greek that spells 'δημόσιο' or 'dèmosio', the root of 'democracy' - have made clear they don't want it.

Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

#83
post #3

Framing this as the EU's attempt is antieuropean propaganda. It is the Conservatives attempt. The EU parliament is the entity that shot it down last time.

European Commission is basically as close to being EU's government as it can be, it is fair to say these are the people that represent EU now. Much like it's fair to say that US is bombing Iran even if not all of the US is doing that.

Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

#84
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoting from the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union , https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:12... : "Article 7 Respect for private and family life Everyone has the right to respect for his or her private and family life, home and communications. Article 8 Protection of personal data 1. Everyone has the right to the protection of personal data concerning him or her. 2. Such data mu…

It clearly states here in 2 “consent of the person concerned OR some other legitimate basis laid down the law”, any random law will trump personal consent

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Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

#86
post #51
post #21

If you're ever unsure about whether a proposed EU regulation may be good or bad, just look at whether Hungary supports it: if so, it's bad; if not, it might be good. Egészségére!

There a practical reason for this? like more alignment with lobbyists, for whatever financial reasons?

Orban is an evil politician, and Fidez is an evil party.

Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

#87
post #21

If you're ever unsure about whether a proposed EU regulation may be good or bad, just look at whether Hungary supports it: if so, it's bad; if not, it might be good. Egészségére!

I'm Polish and I was positivity shocked that we oppose it. I remember attending some protests against ACTA which as far as I remember was supposed to be something similar, back in my student days. It was -17°C and people still showed up. Apparently we have some culture of opposing censorship and invigilation by state. May come in handy if the democratic decline keeps progressing...

Do you mean "surveillance" by the word "invigilation" here?

Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

#88
I absolutely don't understand how anyone can support this in the context of rising authoritarianism. Even people in my country which are talking about this phenomena support it. I strongly suspect that they do absolutely know shit about why it's problematic.

I wonder if they would support that every of paper mail would be opened and checked. I strongly doubt that.

Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

#89
post #58
post #25

The trick here is to make it impossible to do so. Don’t put your shit in the cloud and use proper E2E secure messaging. For me the entire idea of the cloud is dead due to exposure like this.

It's client side scanning.

You can refuse to use software that does it.

Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

#90
post #77
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoting from the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union , https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:12... : "Article 7 Respect for private and family life Everyone has the right to respect for his or her private and family life, home and communications. Article 8 Protection of personal data 1. Everyone has the right to the protection of personal data concerning him or her. 2. Such data mu…

I feel we need something much more strongly worded to protect our mail, paper or electronic, messages and other communications from being read, not just “respect”.

This exists in a number of EU member states: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secrecy_of_correspondence
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