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Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Post by canelonesdeverd »

riazrizvi wrote: post #439
nclin_ wrote: post #436

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The function of a system is what it does. Meta knowingly hurt children for profit. It worked. If we are in any way serious about technocratic solutions to social problems, this would be untenable, the company would be bankrupted, a new company would fill its place. No tears would be cried, nothing of value would be lost, half of hacker news would be chafing at the bit to build a better alternative for the newly opene…

Not hurting children is a pretty popular idea. So why don't you make that technical product for children based on this foundation, and blow Meta out of the water? I love your conviction. Good luck.

Whatever point you're trying to make I hope you realize it's not a good look to phrase it like that.

Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Post by riazrizvi »

nclin_ wrote: post #447
riazrizvi wrote: post #439

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not hurting children is a pretty popular idea. So why don't you make that technical product for children based on this foundation, and blow Meta out of the water? I love your conviction. Good luck.

Not taking this as good faith, if you're devolving into sarcasm I assume you have no insight to offer.

It's not sarcasm. I'm channeling you to a more productive focus for what I see as reaching beliefs/hopes. Try and make them happen instead of trying to convince other people they should happen. It will either temper/align them to the world as it is, or show the world what it can be.

Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Post by [deleted] »

canelonesdeverd wrote: post #451
riazrizvi wrote: post #439

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not hurting children is a pretty popular idea. So why don't you make that technical product for children based on this foundation, and blow Meta out of the water? I love your conviction. Good luck.

Whatever point you're trying to make I hope you realize it's not a good look to phrase it like that.

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Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Post by tietjens »

muskyFelon wrote: post #194
tietjens wrote: post #150

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React benign? That’s the first time I’ve seen this suggestion on HN. Usually it’s held responsible for great crimes and wrongs.

Ha, I think the great crimes and wrongs title goes to Angular. I became a front-end guy specifically to avoid all the OOP verbosity. I'm just trying to call some APIs and render some data on a web page. I don't need layers of abstraction to do that. Anyways, is there a "just use vue" effort like there is with postgres :)

I also found Angular to be a nightmare. I enjoy Astro, Svelte, even Preact can be fun. There are many to try. My comment above was just a joke, but I'm getting downvoted.

Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Post by roysting »

riazrizvi wrote: post #411
nclin_ wrote: post #393

375 million awarded at $5000 per child harmed. Implying that only 75,000 children were harmed. Got away with it again, good profit, will repeat.

That's not how the legal framework in society works. Victims are compensated. The business pays. The precedent of wrongdoing is specifically established which means that further infringements can be quickly resolved. The legal system does not seek to destroy the business, or individual criminal. Instead it wants them to be able to continue doing their other non-criminal stuff.

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Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Post by ethanwillis »

riazrizvi wrote: post #421
munk-a wrote: post #416

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The legal system has two goals - to compensate individuals harmed and to discourage further violations of the law. This lawsuit seems to have fulfilled the first goal but fell flat on its face when it comes to punitive damages.

I think there's an axis of perceived wrongdoing here, and you and I fall on different points. Yours is more extreme, you say Meta was doing broad harm by exploring this activity, and want to see greater damages to scare other businesses off from the general territory of addictive interfaces. Mine is where we want businesses to continue to explore and develop 'sticky', compelling, user experiences but Meta went too de…

in what specific ways did it go too deep? it's hard to understand when you're being so vague.

Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Post by gopher_space »

MildlySerious wrote: post #111
dwedge wrote: post #108

Maybe I'm just getting old and cynical but, while I think current social media is bad for children, I'm very suspicious of the current international agreement that it's time to take action, especially with all the ID verification coming from multiple avenues

Two things can be true, and I am in the same boat. Should the next generation have their brains fried by ad-tech corporations and their algorithms? Absolutely not. Should the overdue off-ramp from this trend be the on-ramp to mass-surveillance and government overreach? Also a firm no.

A Kindernet would solve many problems. Hardware-gated access, local moderation and control, zero commerce or copyright, whatever you want to do to make the environment uninteresting to bad actors. Frame opposition to the concept as demand for access to your children.

Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Post by gustavus »

nclin_ wrote: post #436
riazrizvi wrote: post #411

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not how the legal framework in society works. Victims are compensated. The business pays. The precedent of wrongdoing is specifically established which means that further infringements can be quickly resolved. The legal system does not seek to destroy the business, or individual criminal. Instead it wants them to be able to continue doing their other non-criminal stuff.

The function of a system is what it does. Meta knowingly hurt children for profit. It worked. If we are in any way serious about technocratic solutions to social problems, this would be untenable, the company would be bankrupted, a new company would fill its place. No tears would be cried, nothing of value would be lost, half of hacker news would be chafing at the bit to build a better alternative for the newly opene…

https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/come-on-obviously-the-purpo...

Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Post by nclin_ »

riazrizvi wrote: post #452
nclin_ wrote: post #447

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not taking this as good faith, if you're devolving into sarcasm I assume you have no insight to offer.

It's not sarcasm. I'm channeling you to a more productive focus for what I see as reaching beliefs/hopes. Try and make them happen instead of trying to convince other people they should happen. It will either temper/align them to the world as it is, or show the world what it can be.

Ok, well let's think about this with the same framework I'm trying to bring to the discussion above: system dynamics.

Your comment has the effect of being flippant, condescending, and seemingly callous to the subject matter. When called out, you have backed up to an alternative explanation which is, again, massively condescending (I don't need channeling mate, certainly not from you).

You have not engaged with the content in a good faith manner.

So, standing back and looking at your comment in terms of its effects rather than what it claims to be its effects (AND the effect that making those secondary claims have - doubling down on condescension), it looks more like you're trying to bully me into changing my behaviour and viewpoint without meaningfully engaging with the content.

Ironically, I'm feeling psychological reactance, so your comments polarized me against you (see the Backfire Effect) and deepened my convictions.

I won't engage with bullies any further but to call them out, I'm hesitant to bring the conversation down to this level and give you any kind of air to begin with, but I think it's important to analyze discourse as it happens.

Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Post by blks »

riazrizvi wrote: post #411
nclin_ wrote: post #393

375 million awarded at $5000 per child harmed. Implying that only 75,000 children were harmed. Got away with it again, good profit, will repeat.

That's not how the legal framework in society works. Victims are compensated. The business pays. The precedent of wrongdoing is specifically established which means that further infringements can be quickly resolved. The legal system does not seek to destroy the business, or individual criminal. Instead it wants them to be able to continue doing their other non-criminal stuff.

8 Xboxes is a pretty small compensation for a sexual abuse case.
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