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Slovenian officials blame Israeli firm Black Cube for trying to manipulate vote

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Re: Slovenian officials blame Israeli firm Black Cube for trying to manipulate vote

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Post by bigyabai »

afavour wrote: post #29
asadm wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

gee I wonder what does the private company gain from defaming another country's "pro-Palestine" party.

...money? My point is a simple one: the company was hired by someone. Was it the opposition party? To say this is entirely Israel's doing implies the Slovenian party that benefits just happens to have gotten lucky. The reality is likely considerably murkier than that.

To say that this is entirely the Slovenian party's fault implies that Israel cannot govern their own state. Both are complicit.

Re: Slovenian officials blame Israeli firm Black Cube for trying to manipulate vote

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Post by doodlebugging »

miroljub wrote: post #21
brenschluss wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The truth is the truth, whether or not it might align with a narrative or stereotype. For example: NSA wiretapping was a truth that happened to align with pre-existing conspiracy theory narratives. It was easy to dismiss it as a crackpot theory, but that didn’t make the truth any less (or more) true. If someone says “if you believe this might be true, you’re [a bad person]”, I would consider this person fundamentally…

With so many conspiracy theories becoming truth and so much news proving to be lies over time, I now have more trust in something labeled as a conspiracy theory than in official news.

>...I now have more trust in something labeled as a conspiracy theory than in official news.

I think that is the goal. Destroy trust in formerly trustworthy sources so that the reality you see every day more closely aligns with one of the many conspiracy options.

Re: Slovenian officials blame Israeli firm Black Cube for trying to manipulate vote

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Post by jschrf »

kennywinker wrote: post #16
crimsoneer wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the risk of stating the obvious, Black Cube is an actual private intelligence firm that sells spy services [1], while Palantir is a software firm that sells software (even if that software is used by intelligence, gov, etc). You can go spin up a free Foundry instance [2] and test it, and it doesn't have secret buttons to imprison people. [1] https://www.blackcube.com/ [2] https://www.palantir.com/developers/

And yet both these technologies are being used to subvert democracy and suppress opposition… almost like it doesn’t need to be fully automated fascism to be fascistic.

Kind of them to put the evil right in the name.

Re: Slovenian officials blame Israeli firm Black Cube for trying to manipulate vote

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Post by canticleforllm »

jmyeet wrote: post #23

I want to talk about Ticketmaster. People hate Ticketmaster. For good reason. TM throws on all these fees, clearly engages in third-party selling, makings buying difficult and jacks up prices. All of this is known. But what's less known is that artists, especially big artists, like Ticketmaster. Why? Because TM is a sacrificial anode. It takes all the hate but adding junk fees that in part go to the artist. The artis…

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Re: Slovenian officials blame Israeli firm Black Cube for trying to manipulate vote

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Post by rafram »

jmyeet wrote: post #23

I want to talk about Ticketmaster. People hate Ticketmaster. For good reason. TM throws on all these fees, clearly engages in third-party selling, makings buying difficult and jacks up prices. All of this is known. But what's less known is that artists, especially big artists, like Ticketmaster. Why? Because TM is a sacrificial anode. It takes all the hate but adding junk fees that in part go to the artist. The artis…

I’m not a fan of comparing a cruel, genocidal government to a site that jacks up the prices on concert tickets, personally.

Re: Slovenian officials blame Israeli firm Black Cube for trying to manipulate vote

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Post by margalabargala »

jmyeet wrote: post #23

I want to talk about Ticketmaster. People hate Ticketmaster. For good reason. TM throws on all these fees, clearly engages in third-party selling, makings buying difficult and jacks up prices. All of this is known. But what's less known is that artists, especially big artists, like Ticketmaster. Why? Because TM is a sacrificial anode. It takes all the hate but adding junk fees that in part go to the artist. The artis…

Your broader point is true but the characterization of Israel as an extension of America is not.

Israel is happy to be the sacrificial anode for more or less anyone willing to pay and not immediately counter to Israel's own geopolitical interests. This is a service they offer to the world, not just America.

America simply happens to be the largest customer among many.

Re: Slovenian officials blame Israeli firm Black Cube for trying to manipulate vote

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Post by postsantum »

afavour wrote: post #17
shevy-java wrote: post #14

Israel really needs to stop interfering in other countries' elections. That's not acceptable. We don't interfere when their population votes for warcriminals either.

This isn't Israel the state, it's a private company that's based in Israel.

NED is not a CIA front sweatie, it's just a private institute

Re: Slovenian officials blame Israeli firm Black Cube for trying to manipulate vote

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Post by margalabargala »

bigyabai wrote: post #31
afavour wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...money? My point is a simple one: the company was hired by someone. Was it the opposition party? To say this is entirely Israel's doing implies the Slovenian party that benefits just happens to have gotten lucky. The reality is likely considerably murkier than that.

To say that this is entirely the Slovenian party's fault implies that Israel cannot govern their own state. Both are complicit.

> implies that Israel cannot govern their own state

Or more simply that what the Israeli company did, is not illegal in Israel.

Re: Slovenian officials blame Israeli firm Black Cube for trying to manipulate vote

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Post by armchairhacker »

rhcom2 wrote: post #10
nslsm wrote: post #6

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DNC emails weren't fake either but dumping them all right before the election was certainly intended to be election interference.

And when WaPo released Trump's "grab em by the pussy" tape October 2016? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_Access_Hollywood_...)

Even if our politicians are so corrupt that every one has skeletons in their closet, I don't think releasing factual evidence of malfeasance is a type of election interference that should be condemned.

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