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Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by k__ »

alcasa wrote: post #746
k__ wrote: post #739

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"coding is the prime use case for this where you can make money" Is it? I have the impression GenAI deteriorates the internet both from a content and tech perspective. Bots that waste your time because they don't work well or because they are pushing an agenda, and low quality content that floods social media from people who want to make a quick buck. GitHub and AWS became increasingly unstable. X, Instagram, and Wha…

I fear people will just get used to it. Nobody gets tailored clothing anyhmore and people don't question that we have standardized sizes that don't really fit anyone properly. People commonly buy standardized furniture and rarely get something to a specific for their room. If cheaper software (I mean thats mostly what it is) gets the job done, we will probably just keep doing that, even if that means we lose somethin…

Fair.

I just have the feeling that it doesn't get the job done anymore.

I hope we will see the rise of alternatives.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by vel0city »

lossyalgo wrote: post #695
hobofan wrote: post #628

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Frontier model developers don't make money, but inference providers do. For open weight models there is a healthy market of inference providers that operate profitably without VC backing.

Such as? Where do we find these open weight model providers? Why is hardly anyone talking about them or sharing links (here or elsewhere) if they are so wonderful and profitable?

Why is hardly anyone talking about basic web hosting provides or sharung links (here or elsewhere) if they are so wonderful and profitable?

Because few people really care much about the commodity hosting world. They're not making waves, they're just packaging things made by others for a low-ish cost. They're also not very consumer-focused, as they're a bit lower level than what most people prefer to think about. It doesn't mean they don't exist or that they're not profitable though, just not headline-reaching numbers in the end.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by asveikau »

muvlon wrote: post #586
biztos wrote: post #562

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We could argue all day about what should be at the forefront, but addictive content isn't going anywhere, because addicts pay up. In this case, maybe not enough to offset the costs; or maybe it just wasn't addictive enough. But it's still early days.

> because addicts pay up. I think it turns out they don't, not really anyway. And that's exactly why Sora is dead. They figured out that addictive AI slop has been so thoroughly commoditized that you can get it on a ton of other platforms for free, so people don't want to pay for it.

The monetization of social media has always been about steering otherwise non paying users into making purchases elsewhere. So if the AI slop can make people spend money on other products that's accomplished the goal.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by vel0city »

steveBK123 wrote: post #685
WarmWash wrote: post #680

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Coding is a small minority of total generated tokens. It's easy swimming in tech waters all day to think Claude is the pack leader because it writes excellent code, but the reality is that tokens are overwhelmingly coming from OpenAI and Google doing mostly stuff like "Make this e-mail sound nicer" and "What's a cheap vacation spot with warm turquoise waters"

> "Make this e-mail sound nicer" and "What's a cheap vacation spot with warm turquoise waters" Right but I think a lot of these use cases aren't replacing any jobs because it wasn't anyones job. It's just a little polish on existing work (did spell correction in Word kill jobs?) or the stuff that voice assistants have been promising for 10 years.

Both of those things both were and are jobs. They're called secretaries and travel agents.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by empath75 »

asim wrote: post #545

Sometimes I think my opinion means nothing on these topics, especially when it's going to get buried in a thread of 500 plus comments. But I think you finally see a little bit of a flaw in the strategy or just a little bit of insight into what was desperation for relevance and to try to very quickly attain what other companies have attained but essentially what they're seeing is this gradual reduction in ambition and…

I had fun with it for about a week, but the thing that disappointed me the most wasn't the technology, it was the _people_. You have a machine that can make anything you can imagine, and the space of what people were exploring was so _small_.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by muskstinks »

asim wrote: post #545

Sometimes I think my opinion means nothing on these topics, especially when it's going to get buried in a thread of 500 plus comments. But I think you finally see a little bit of a flaw in the strategy or just a little bit of insight into what was desperation for relevance and to try to very quickly attain what other companies have attained but essentially what they're seeing is this gradual reduction in ambition and…

Coding is one topic but the big one is agentic ai.

You will have an agent like your seo expert, this agent will be able to use common tools like google seo, facebook seo etc. and you will teach how you want it to do its 'job'.

You will have a way of delivering your requirements to it, it will run in the background, might ask for feedback but will otherwise do stuff similiar to whatever person was doing it before.

There might be some transition phase like verifing the data of the real person vs. the agentic ai then moving over to only validation until the agentic agent is in avg as good as a human. Then the human will be gone.

Agentic will take basic support tasks (its actually already doing this) first, then more complicated things etc.

For this we need an ecosystem aka the agentic ai platform, interconnect between agent and tools and this stuff is currently getting build by someone one way or the other.

On scale we need more capacity and these agents will also cost more money than a 20$ subscription.

But if you have a, lets say SAP agent, it will be build once, trained once and than used by everyone. Instead of a person using a HR system or billing system, the agent will bridge the gap between data and system.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by muskstinks »

drzaiusx11 wrote: post #688
bpodgursky wrote: post #404

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It's because programmers are willing to pay thousands of dollars a month for a product commensurate with the value to provides, aka AI coding. Generating pointless AI videos for pocket change or ad revenue is a loser in comparison.

From my vantage point AI consumption is being lead by tech leadership moreso than actual in-the-weeds programmers themselves. HN just happens to include more folk at the intersection of leadership and individual code contributor. The top down push for AI is in line with the age old traditions of replacing highly skilled and highly compensated trade workers with automation. The writing is on the wall if folks care to…

Whats your setup for the agent team?

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by asim »

k__ wrote: post #739
asim wrote: post #545

Sometimes I think my opinion means nothing on these topics, especially when it's going to get buried in a thread of 500 plus comments. But I think you finally see a little bit of a flaw in the strategy or just a little bit of insight into what was desperation for relevance and to try to very quickly attain what other companies have attained but essentially what they're seeing is this gradual reduction in ambition and…

"coding is the prime use case for this where you can make money" Is it? I have the impression GenAI deteriorates the internet both from a content and tech perspective. Bots that waste your time because they don't work well or because they are pushing an agenda, and low quality content that floods social media from people who want to make a quick buck. GitHub and AWS became increasingly unstable. X, Instagram, and Wha…

Well tbh I think it's like cloud in 2007-2009. I was highly skeptical and heckling while running on managed bare metal everytime there was an outage. But now cloud is the standard model for anything really. And I think AI becomes the gold standard for code in the long term. So yea right now lots of outages. In a couple years it'll be much better. And in ten years people will always default to automation via AI.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by muskstinks »

SecretDreams wrote: post #272
34ahgaf wrote: post #241

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It is the last narrative that some of Wall Street believes and has enough mediocre or senile coders to promote it. That narrative will implode like Sora later this year.

To be fair, LLMs are exceptional at coding and they very well could displace some jobs. But you'll always need people at the helm who know what they're doing too.

Yeah they are called PMs and already exist. And these people normally are creating the design documents, the flows etc. and then have to wait for the dev team to implement this.

So a good PM running 1-3 teams, will only need 1-3 agentic ai teams instead.

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