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Apple Just Lost Me

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Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by soapdog »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #15

I found this to be a very odd and strange rant. The author's three issues with Apple are: 1. Gatekeeping. OK, fine, but at the very least this has been Apple's stance for a very long time now (the author talks about faxing credit card details), so it's not like it's something new. If you wanted full unfettered installation rights, Apple was never the company for you. And while I think it's fine to argue against Apple…

Author here. Thanks for engaging is such gentle way, this is rare these days. Let me address some of your comments and maybe you'll understand my position a bit better even if you don't agree.

> 1.Gatekeeping. OK, fine, but at the very least this has been Apple's stance for a very long time now (the author talks about faxing credit card details), so it's not like it's something new. If you wanted full unfettered installation rights, Apple was never the company for you. And while I think it's fine to argue against Apple's stance, I find most of the arguments are less than honest about the pros of things like developer verification for the end user.

Apple been tightening that control over time. For a long time on MacOS X you could simply run apps. Then came notarisation, but you could still disable it. Now, even with a certificate, it still shows a dialog. I wish that apps that went through notarisation would simply run like the ones from the app store without a dialog showing.

> 3. (...) the least restrictive route by choosing credit card verification.

But not everyone has a credit card. Those are not something you're born with or required to have or even required to have them issued from the same country you're living in. That is not the least restrictive, that is a very large assumption. What I would have liked to have seen is them providing you with options: "do you want to use credit card verification? National ID? Passport? Credit check? Etc" and then it is up to each user to decide on their risk profile and what they are okay with.

As of now, my only way to verify it is by literally ordering a credit card from my UK bank when I'm pretty happy with my debit cards already.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by nine_k »

bandrami wrote: post #231
nine_k wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For many, obtaining a credit card just for the purposes of age verification , and not using it for shopping, feels easier than giving away their legal identifying information to a random third party. In the US you're usually inundated with offers to open a credit card (often pre-approved) right in your mailbox. Even if you're a poor recent immigrant, or something.

Is the credit card issuer not a random third party?

Banks are subject to much more scrutiny (regulations, audits) than a random company. Or maybe even a highly established company which you'd rather not give your identity to, something like Pornhub.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by JollySharp0 »

izacus wrote: post #61
daedrdev wrote: post #9

Any system of age verification will fail to satisfy the writer, because it is fundamentally the UK’s fault by requiring such draconian measures. Credit cards don't work ever time, but the other options of using AI or sending your data to a third company who will resell it are also not great. The only other complaint seems to be liquid glass? It really feels strange because Apple feels on the upswing with their new of…

Tapping a UK passport to your phone works just fine for ETA apps and it would work just fine for Apple as well. The fact that you think American corporation punishing foreign users for their laws is acceptible is sick upon itself.

> The fact that you think American corporation punishing foreign users for their laws is acceptible is sick upon itself.

Not really. I was hoping more large US corps would just not comply and force a big kerfuffle and force the UK government to rethink the OSA and other ridiculous legislation.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by MrDrMcCoy »

dainiusse wrote: post #106

Mate. None of the companies is worth such stress. I feel rage in you. It is just a tool. You choose what works best. That's it. No need to overthink it.

A smartphone is a tool that is all but required for modern life, it gets it's hooks into every detail of your life, and you have very little choice in providers, features, and functions. It makes a lot less sense to not care like this.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by caconym_ »

lynndotpy wrote: post #262
caconym_ wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand the fuss around liquid glass. I've been using Apple stuff since before OS X and this just feels like another redesign; I understand that there are some accessibility issues (that I thought Apple had at least partially addressed) but I don't have any problems using it. In fact, I kinda like it. It feels like many people latched onto an extremely negative narrative early on, and can't let go of it. I…

> And the entire mac OS is starting to feel slow, bloated, and janky. It appears you do indeed understand the fuss around Liquid Glass :) The way I see it, "Liquid Glass" is used as a catch-all term to refer to all the UI changes across Apple's 2026 slate of user interfaces. For one example, the annoying Apple Watch fitness app changes are "Liquid Glass" in my book because it exists only to show off the new wobbling…

I generally felt this way about macOS before "liquid glass" launched, so no, I don't think so.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by diabllicseagull »

Retr0id wrote: post #213
chuckadams wrote: post #194

What keeps me in the Appleverse is the hardware, and the software that Just Works with the hardware (I find that "Just Works" has been rapidly eroding in general, but naturally it still handles the hardware well). The alternatives are Linux on much worse hardware, or the non-starter that is Windows on anything whatsoever. I'm told ThinkPads are getting to parity and have primo Linux support, but barring accident, my…

Linux runs well on M2 (and hopefully also M3 in the future)

https://asahilinux.org/docs/platform/feature-support/m2/

still too many missing bits for me.

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by layer8 »

alwillis wrote: post #190
aenis wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a leadership failure. They obviously have a UI/UX dept. Those people want to be considered productive. Hence, they need to force a major redesign every now and then. Without a Steve Jobs like leader, those things will happen due to fundamental laws of corporate bureaucracy.

> It's a leadership failure. They obviously have a UI/UX dept. Those people want to be considered productive. They had a guy who had no UI/UX experience leading the UI/UX team. He left for Meta thank goodness [1]. [1]: “Alan Dye Leaves Apple for Meta, Replaced by Longtime Designer Stephen Lemay” — https://daringfireball.net/linked/2025/12/03/alan-dye-leaves...

Stephen Lemay reportedly was a driving force behind Liquid Glass: https://www.macrumors.com/2026/03/15/ios-27-macos-27-no-majo...

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by gib444 »

chuckadams wrote: post #194

What keeps me in the Appleverse is the hardware, and the software that Just Works with the hardware (I find that "Just Works" has been rapidly eroding in general, but naturally it still handles the hardware well). The alternatives are Linux on much worse hardware, or the non-starter that is Windows on anything whatsoever. I'm told ThinkPads are getting to parity and have primo Linux support, but barring accident, my…

Apple Silicon was as potent a crack as SSDs and Chrome (both immense steps up from what we had before). I nearly left the Apple ecosystem but the M chips pulled me back...

Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by swiftcoder »

Levitz wrote: post #214
swiftcoder wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While Ofcom hasn't required it yet , they have indicated that they very much plan to[1]. Apple is pretty clearly getting out ahead of this, and simultaneously removing the burden of compliance off all of the relevant app developers (which seems in line with their overall privacy stance - I'm more inclined to trust Apple with my ID than I am some social network) [1]: https://www.rpclegal.com/snapshots/consumer/winter-…

Removing friction from a process that damages privacy is not a positive.

It's also not a net negative, if that process is going to be mandatory
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