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TurboQuant: Redefining AI efficiency with extreme compression

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Re: TurboQuant: Redefining AI efficiency with extreme compression

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It seems like most breakthroughs I see are for efficiency? What are the most importsnt breakthroughs from the past two or three years for intelligence?

Efficiency gains can be used to make existing models more profitable, or to make new larger and more intelligent models.

Some yes, others no. Distillation and quantization can't be used to make new base models since they require a preexisting one.

Re: TurboQuant: Redefining AI efficiency with extreme compression

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Someone implementing it on llamacpp already https://github.com/mudler/llama.cpp/commit/dee102db1bfd723c9...

He even attempts to improve on the paper by replacing the random rotation operation which is O(d^2), by a Subsampled Randomized Hadamard Transform which can be computed in O(d*log d).

Hopefully Johnson–Lindenstrauss lemma applies in the same way for SRHTransformed vectors as they do for randomly rotated vectors and the independence of the distribution laws of the coordinates remains and therefore the quantization of each coordinates independently is still theoretically sound.

Re: TurboQuant: Redefining AI efficiency with extreme compression

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pardon my simplistic question, but when you mean rotation you’re essentially talking about diagonalization aren’t you? So storing the diagonal as a matrix and the new bases is more compact?

In this context, the rotation is for spreading energy and ensuring predictable coordinate distributions rather than diagonalization; it makes coordinate-wise quantization much more computationally efficient, though it throws away learnable structure.

ah ok, so intuitively it's like minimizing the error when replacing the values with a well-known distribution. So all you need to carry along is the rotation and the assumption that there is some amount of loss.

Re: TurboQuant: Redefining AI efficiency with extreme compression

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it is though- “ TurboQuant, QJL, and PolarQuant are more than just practical engineering solutions; they’re fundamental algorithmic contributions backed by strong theoretical proofs. These methods don't just work well in real-world applications; they are provably efficient and operate near theoretical lower bounds.”

Genius new idea: replace the em-dashes with semicolons so it looks less like AI.

Damnit.

There goes another bit of my writing style that will get mistaken for an LLM.

Re: TurboQuant: Redefining AI efficiency with extreme compression

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post #69
post #61

It seems like most breakthroughs I see are for efficiency? What are the most importsnt breakthroughs from the past two or three years for intelligence?

Most breakthroughs that are published are for efficiency because most breakthroughs that are published are for open source.' All the foundation model breakthroughs are hoarded by the labs doing the pretraining. That being said, RL reasoning training is the obvious and largest breakthrough for intelligence in recent years.

With all the floating around of AI researchers though, I kind of wonder how "secret" all these secrets are. I'm sure they have internal siloing, but even still, big players seem to regularly defect to other labs. On top of this, all the labs seem to be pretty neck and neck, with no one clearly pulling ahead across the board.

Re: TurboQuant: Redefining AI efficiency with extreme compression

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post #56

And a group has published an independent working implementation today, nice to see: https://github.com/tonbistudio/turboquant-pytorch

It has a lot clearer explanation of the method than Google's own post.

Well, yeah. Claude simplified it. That doesn't mean it's a better explanation.
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