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Re: Apple Just Lost Me

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Post by bandrami »

nine_k wrote: post #206
dmantis wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. The point in the post is that it's very American to assume that every adult has a credit card. I'm in my thirties and I never had nor plan to have a credit card. I always have had only debit cards. In countries I've been raised and lived it's a sign of a poverty and total dependency on the bank with additional tax on your living, not an everyday tool like Americans perceive it. Debit cards can be given to an und…

For many, obtaining a credit card just for the purposes of age verification , and not using it for shopping, feels easier than giving away their legal identifying information to a random third party. In the US you're usually inundated with offers to open a credit card (often pre-approved) right in your mailbox. Even if you're a poor recent immigrant, or something.

Is the credit card issuer not a random third party?

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Post by dmantis »

nine_k wrote: post #206
dmantis wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. The point in the post is that it's very American to assume that every adult has a credit card. I'm in my thirties and I never had nor plan to have a credit card. I always have had only debit cards. In countries I've been raised and lived it's a sign of a poverty and total dependency on the bank with additional tax on your living, not an everyday tool like Americans perceive it. Debit cards can be given to an und…

For many, obtaining a credit card just for the purposes of age verification , and not using it for shopping, feels easier than giving away their legal identifying information to a random third party. In the US you're usually inundated with offers to open a credit card (often pre-approved) right in your mailbox. Even if you're a poor recent immigrant, or something.

Probably, but making a non-used CC just for using your own phone sound a bit weird, don't you think?

And I don't criticize US way of living here, but Apple is an international company and could do better adjusting to local cultural habits. But maybe they just punish people for this stupid law in the first place which is totally understandable.

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Post by nodesocket »

You’ll be back. Have you tried Windows 11 lately? Want an exercise in self-restraint not plowing yours fist through your monitor? Use Windows. Microsoft as Steve Jobs said has no taste. They hire the cheapest international engineers who take zero accountability and perfection in their work. Everything is just, that will do. Good enough.

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Post by rafram »

Levitz wrote: post #214
swiftcoder wrote: post #188

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While Ofcom hasn't required it yet , they have indicated that they very much plan to[1]. Apple is pretty clearly getting out ahead of this, and simultaneously removing the burden of compliance off all of the relevant app developers (which seems in line with their overall privacy stance - I'm more inclined to trust Apple with my ID than I am some social network) [1]: https://www.rpclegal.com/snapshots/consumer/winter-…

Removing friction from a process that damages privacy is not a positive.

Passing a law that damages privacy is a negative. Complying with the law is an imperative. So mitigating harm from the law seems like a positive.

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Post by pfraze »

catapart wrote: post #211
pfraze wrote: post #197

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Indeed. There has been zero political opposition to these laws. Apple isn’t going to pay the fines on our behalf, so we need to get organizing if we don’t like this.

ah, yeah; I guess organization looks like complete capitulation and then commenting on the effect elsewhere with a sturdy shrug "whatcha gonna do? we're all just so powerless" . fighting the good fight.

I’ve never felt so motivated to fight on your behalf

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Post by jclardy »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #15

I found this to be a very odd and strange rant. The author's three issues with Apple are: 1. Gatekeeping. OK, fine, but at the very least this has been Apple's stance for a very long time now (the author talks about faxing credit card details), so it's not like it's something new. If you wanted full unfettered installation rights, Apple was never the company for you. And while I think it's fine to argue against Apple…

Yeah, agreed. Gatekeeper is nearly 15 years old now, and has progressively gotten more aggressive, but AFAIK there isn't much new in the past year or two. macOS 26 is bad, but so is Windows 11...so unless you are willing to jump into Linux for desktop, there aren't many other options. And age verification is likely going to be an issue with any platform he chooses - are other companies not using credit card?

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Post by mazugrin2 »

I find it so odd to have such an extreme response to Apple all-of-the-sudden. Like they've been so great all of these years and only just now you're deciding to make such an extreme switch that you're going to choose the worst possible hardware imaginable because you can't even stomach buying a decent GNU/Linux laptop from Dell or Lenovo or Framework or System76? Jeeze. That little puny 8GB ARM laptop you're choosing instead is going to be painfully slow compared to whatever Mac you're coming from. At least check out the System76 laptops - some I do believe come fully open-source with Coreboot if that's all-of-the-sudden so important to you.

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Post by nativeit »

abirch wrote: post #82
AdamN wrote: post #64

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It was probably a cascade of people but the question is whether we all realize Apple was right or if they just implemented it wrong or if it will just take a year or two to get things dialed in (but still prepared for an AR/VR world) and then we forget it ever happened.

Most people have forgotten Antennagate or the iPhone 4 fiasco. You're probably correct that people won't remember this in 2028

Because folks don’t continuously talk about something that happened 14-years ago on a device that’s been off the market for nearly as long?

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Post by MrDrMcCoy »

dmantis wrote: post #179
causal wrote: post #167

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I kind of prefer Credit Card over anything else if I have to do it. I give out my CC pretty regularly already so not much new PII to lose there. But it does sound like Apple has bugs to work out.

Yes. The point in the post is that it's very American to assume that every adult has a credit card. I'm in my thirties and I never had nor plan to have a credit card. I always have had only debit cards. In countries I've been raised and lived it's a sign of a poverty and total dependency on the bank with additional tax on your living, not an everyday tool like Americans perceive it. Debit cards can be given to an und…

You must live in an especially civilized place to be able to get by without a credit score. I wish I could close all my cards, but doing so would harm the score since card count and age are part of it.

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Post by dmantis »

aeyes wrote: post #229
dmantis wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. The point in the post is that it's very American to assume that every adult has a credit card. I'm in my thirties and I never had nor plan to have a credit card. I always have had only debit cards. In countries I've been raised and lived it's a sign of a poverty and total dependency on the bank with additional tax on your living, not an everyday tool like Americans perceive it. Debit cards can be given to an und…

Credit cards are a sign of poverty? Now that's a hot take. I feel in Europe having a credit card means the complete opposite, only "rich" people have credit cards. I have a credit card, I use it, I pay it off every month. Why am I seen as poor just because I have a credit card? It's just a tool. It spares me from needing to maintain a 10000$ emergency fund in my checking account.

And in post-soviet countries you blink and you owe 15+% interest. I know many people who couldn't meet basic needs and pay a never-ending percentage. Or forgot to close the debt and lost more than ever gained from this tool in one payment. So people who can pay from their pocket just pay from it instead of endlessly tracking the grace period and counting the money.

I don't imply that's the same everywhere. Also probably depends on a local regulation and interest rates.

Also people here don't generally like to owe to somebody, that feels insecure.

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