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Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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Post by underdeserver »

pas wrote: post #110
underdeserver wrote: post #96

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I'm basing that opinion on the FAQ that states that most politics stories are irrelevant. But sure, I'm one vote among tens of thousands, and it's up to the mods to decide. It's most of my comment history recently because I have family and friends in the region and I'm admittedly triggered by the callousness, heartlessness and sanctimony I see in these comments. It's not healthy, I know. People are trying to preach g…

The HN protocol to deal with this is downvote silently. Complaining about why and what is on HN is also in the FAQ as a no no. If there was any serious preparation for a many months long campaign then why Kharg island is not occupied already?

Where in the FAQ?

Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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Post by pas »

underdeserver wrote: post #131
pas wrote: post #110

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The HN protocol to deal with this is downvote silently. Complaining about why and what is on HN is also in the FAQ as a no no. If there was any serious preparation for a many months long campaign then why Kharg island is not occupied already?

Where in the FAQ?

> If a story is spam or off-topic, flag it. Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead. If you flag, please don't also comment that you did.

> Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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Post by orwin »

avereveard wrote: post #112
sveme wrote: post #84

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The strait was navigable until three weeks ago. There are very few conceivable paths towards reestablishing this. This is absolutely not the same effective result.

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It seems you can't read a map. And btw it's very different targets, Hormuz vessel contain oil, gas and fertiliser for the Asian market. The red see is mostly foodstuff, cattle and Asian good for the European market. Way less impactful

Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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Post by orwin »

ardit33 wrote: post #58
littlecranky67 wrote: post #35

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Did you even read it? He mentions that, and also He says that the regime is 'odious' right in the beginning, and is looking more from the US self interest and strategic perspective. "It certainly did not help that the United States had stood idle while the regime slaughtered tens of thousands of its opponents, before making the attempt," "Now, before we go forward, I want to clarify a few things. First, none of this…

The information on the number of confirmed deaths in Iran is so easy to find, I am a bit miffed that he wrote 'tens of thousands'. We have the number of confirmed deaths, we have a number of death still to verify, if he wanted he could have added both number, it would have been close to the truth imho.

Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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Post by spwa4 »

Arnt wrote: post #102
lmm wrote: post #69

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> Every rusty trawler is a viable launch platform for Shahed type drones And where exactly are you planning to operate that trawler out of? Or are you going to send it across the Atlantic on its own (well, with a couple of tankers accompanying it, but never mind that) and hope no-one pays attention? > operational range ~2500 km per Wikipedia I think you either added an extra zero or were looking at the hyped prototyp…

I assume that smuggling drones into the US is easier than it was for Ukraine to smuggle them into Russia.

These people are used to executing civilians when they are the police. That's how IRGC, hamas and hezbollah work. You won't see much action from people like that when they can't just shoot anyone that they don't like.

Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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Post by roenxi »

geraneum wrote: post #116
roenxi wrote: post #105

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Is anyone going to mention what these provocations are? I've yet to figure it out after 6-12 months. Pretty much everything going on seems to involve the Israelis aggressively expanding their borders or viciously attacking anyone who might oppose their expansion. I've lost count of the number of negotiators they've killed. Trump has averaged something like 1 bombing run on Iranian leadership ever 2 years. Iranian pro…

> Is anyone going to mention what these provocations are? Sure, it’s not hard to find. These started long before Trump. You should look beyond the last few months’ news cycles. Iranian government’s issues with Israel are of ideological nature (according to the regime) and their open support (financially and militarily) of a part of Palestinian resistance and Hezbollah. Iran has been active at Israel’s borders for yea…

Would it be fair to characterise these provocations as all involving Iran providing resistance to Israel aggressively expanding their borders? Because these cases seem to have a tendency to Israel controlling more land at the end of the day. It looks like a pretty classic situation where an aggressive power builds up in a series of "defensive" expansions.

> Iranian government’s issues with Israel are of ideological nature

I think they're just good at threat assessment. There seem to be a lot of Iranians dying of Sudden Acute Missile Disease this month. Frankly I'm struggling to see what aspect of their actions aren't just common sense over the last decade, except for their charmingly simplicity in that they didn't make a break for a nuclear bomb when they first got within a year or two of being able to develop one. Israel and their supporters have done a very bad job of offering an explanation of why the repeated hits were justified or helpful.

Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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Post by guzfip »

avereveard wrote: post #12

It seems there's a flawed reading coming from a single point in time analysis Region instability had ben regularly threatening freedom of navigation in the last five years And USA may not consider the individual country strategic, but cares deeply about freedom of navigation, because the single market is basically the pillar for their hegemony. Sarah Paine lectures give overall better lenses to look at this engagemen…

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Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

defrost wrote: post #34
socraticnoise wrote: post #27

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Isn't it interesting that the country that takes the nuclear threat most seriously and tries to prevent it is also the only country that has ever used nuclear weapons?

Russia? France? The UK? India? Pakistan? Israel? China? There are many countries that have used nuclear weapons. If you're talking about the USofA they didn't try that hard at preventing Iran from enriching - they tore up a perfectly good and well functioning monitoring agreement at the start of Trump's first term.

Those countries have tested nuclear weapons. Only the US has used them.

Re: Miscellanea: The War in Iran

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Post by bryanlarsen »

solatic wrote: post #128

Author seems to not care about the prospect of the Iranian regime developing nuclear weapons, putting those weapons into the hands of its terrorist proxies, and sitting back while those proxies turn Western Europe and Palestine into radioactive wastelands (yes, Palestine, because it is not possible to restrict the fallout to just Tel Aviv, and the regime has shown itself to be far more anti-Israel than pro-Palestinia…

Donald Trump obviously doesn't care either, because every action he has taken during his two terms has increased the risk of Iran developing nuclear weapons.

JCPOA was highly flawed, but it was a lot better than nothing, which is what Trump traded it for.

If Trump was serious about stopping Iran's nuclear program, he would have made taking Isfahan a top priority of the initial strikes.

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