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Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Post by duskdozer »

cristoperb wrote: post #15
gzread wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it illegal or is it just illegal on general purpose platforms whose focus isn't extreme security? We all know Meta can still read E2EE chats (otherwise they wouldn't do it) and they're using E2EE as an excuse to avoid liability for the things their platform encourages. Contrast this with something like Signal where the entire point is to be secure.

> We all know Meta can still read E2EE chats That can't be true, otherwise in what sense is it E2EE?

Well, I've seen services describe having "E2EE" where one end is your computer and the other end is their server, so...

Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Post by TheDong »

bluegatty wrote: post #80
b112 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The state has no business listening in on private citizen's communication." The absolutely do, depending on circumstances. So primary is this concept of privacy, that it requires an entire legal framework, evidence of potential wrongdoing, proof that there is no other method to achieve the goal of validating guilt, proof that the crime is severe, and not a hunting expedition, approval via a warrant after a judge has…

" that it requires an entire legal framework, evidence of potential wrongdoing, proof that there is no other method to achieve the goal of validating guilt" No it doesn't. Life is no Reddit, lawyers and technicalities. It's made up of regular people in communities. If you see some guy creeping on 10 year-olds, you can notify the police and Facebook will do that as well - for the same reason. It may not at all need to…

With e2e encryption, the signals you have are pretty minimal.

Let's say a 40 y/o man finds a phone on the ground, sees a name stuck on it, googles "name + town" and finds the facebook of a 12 y/o girl, and messages "Hey I found this phone, do you recognize it? "

With e2e encryption, you can't easily tell the difference between that and a creep.

This thread is advocating that exactly that case should result in a police visit with the assumption of guilt.

Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Post by usr1106 »

pylua wrote: post #27
Aurornis wrote: post #4

Many will cheer for any case that hurts Meta without reading the details, but we should be aware that these cases are one of the key reasons why companies are backtracking from features like end-to-end encryption: > The New Mexico case also raised concerns that allowing teens to use end-to-end encryption on Instagram chats — a privacy measure that blocks anyone other than sender and receiver from viewing a conversati…

I’m actually okay with not letting under age people use e2e. I’m not okay with blocking everyone. I have 2 kids.

There is no reason kids should use so called smart devices, except making certain companies richer. Kids have had a healthy development without such crap for thousands of years. We don't discuss what percentage of alcohol should be allowed in beer and wine for kids.

Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Post by vaylian »

cristoperb wrote: post #15
gzread wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it illegal or is it just illegal on general purpose platforms whose focus isn't extreme security? We all know Meta can still read E2EE chats (otherwise they wouldn't do it) and they're using E2EE as an excuse to avoid liability for the things their platform encourages. Contrast this with something like Signal where the entire point is to be secure.

> We all know Meta can still read E2EE chats That can't be true, otherwise in what sense is it E2EE?

The metadata is still unencrypted. That also reveals quite a bit.

Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Post by elwebmaster »

Can one be opposed to age verification in the OS and yet totally happy that Meta got this fine? There is a very big difference between e2e encryption /telephone and social media. Social media is more akin to a phone book. I do not recall there ever being any phone books listing minors. That's completely unacceptable and unnecessary. I am totally OK with phonebooks (or their modern digital equivalents which enable people discovery and user generated content discovery) to abide by the same KYC rules as banks. And be only for adults. Your kids using e2e encrypted messaging to communicate with their friends whom they have met in person? Nothing wrong with that, we all have the right to privacy. Kids listing their contact information publicly? Absolute no.

Re: Jury finds Meta liable in case over child sexual exploitation on its platforms

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Post by armada651 »

ronsor wrote: post #59
Aurornis wrote: post #4

Many will cheer for any case that hurts Meta without reading the details, but we should be aware that these cases are one of the key reasons why companies are backtracking from features like end-to-end encryption: > The New Mexico case also raised concerns that allowing teens to use end-to-end encryption on Instagram chats — a privacy measure that blocks anyone other than sender and receiver from viewing a conversati…

This is the core issue. We know that this isn't really going to reduce harm for children, we know Meta is not seriously going to suffer or change, and we know this is going to be used as a cudgel to beat down privacy and increase surveillance.

Why is it so important that kids have access to the internet anyway that we're willing to sacrifice both our privacy and freedom of speech rights for it when we already know it's damaging their mental health?

We don't need all this privacy invasion if we just didn't give kids a smartphone with a data plan.

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